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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago

Anyone who has worked "unskilled" positions can tell you that every job has a learning curve and experience counts for a lot.

This is particularly true in jobs that require a degree of physical endurance and manual dexterity. Picking a vegetable is easy. Picking a thousand vegetables an hour (without bruising the produce or ruining the plant) for eight hours a day is quite difficult. And skilled workers are far more lucrative to the farm owner than clumsy neophytes.

What often defines a service worker as "unskilled" isn't the work, but the degree to which automated capital and real estate ownership are integrated into the workflow. The more leverage the employer can exert over the hiring market, the more easily they classify labor as "unskilled"' and downgrade the pay.

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 22 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Skilled or unskilled. If you do a full day's work, you should be able to support yourself and family.

We should also take care of those that are unable to do so.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 11 points 15 hours ago

No labor is unskilled it's classist bullshit to make us think we're better than each other. Farm work especially so since there are weird local tricks for local planting styles and crops.

[–] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 57 points 1 day ago (3 children)

People take offense to the "unskilled" part, and it's just a stupid nitpick. Unskilled doesn't mean that it's an unimportant doofus jobs, it means it's a job that almost anyone can do. That doesn't make it unimportant.

Everyone can help haul stuff at a construction site. Everyone can collect garbage bags around the city. Everyone can deliver mail and packages. These jobs require no special education, you can literally get hired and start tomorrow without any training. But that does not make the job unimportant.

This post just feels like the person looks for another wording to be mad about.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 60 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Usually people use the term "unskilled labor" as justification that those working said jobs don't have any skills and therefore shouldn't earn a living wage.

The anger isn't in the denotation of the term, but the connotation.

[–] UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca 14 points 22 hours ago

It's usually a lower wage because of supply and demand but yeah any wage should be a living wage skilled or not.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 10 points 1 day ago

Yeah you have to remember to look at it through the conservative lens where humanity is inherently hierarchical and social darwinism means the lesser tiers of society do not deserve your attention.

[–] ColdSideOfYourPillow@piefed.social 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (12 children)

it means it's a job that almost anyone can do

Not exactly. Unskilled labor simply refers to jobs that do not require a formal certification. There are many economically unskilled jobs that require a high amount of expertise. One such example is often a chef (specifically, the ones which don't have formal culinary education).

Chefs need to have a deep understanding of food preparation techniques, flavor profiles, food safety, menu planning, and the ability to work quickly and efficiently in a high-pressure environment. It is a demanding job that few people can do. Yet, according to economics, these people would be unskilled.


Personally, part of me believes that people shouldn't nitpick the percieved inaccuracy of jargon based upon the usage of words in common parlance.

The other part of me wishes that the experts would have chosen a less polarizing term with more neutral connotations.

[–] HeurtisticAlgorithm9@feddit.uk 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

While I agree with your point, Chef is definitely a skilled labour job. Literally need qualifications in food safety, if you don't in whatever country you're from that is more horrifying than it not being classed as skilled tbh.

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[–] stray@pawb.social 5 points 23 hours ago

There's nothing special required to open a restaurant in Sweden, which I think most would agree is a developed country. You need a business license and a food license (unsure how to translate), neither of which requires an education or training, and you need a proper location for preparing and serving food. Employees can be literally anyone off the street. You have to pass health inspections, but the inspectors don't care much about details if nothing dangerous is going on.

I personally appreciate your example of chef and had to delete the rest of what I had to say because it got way too emotional. It's a frustrating situation when you're making people happy by providing a service and still not being rewarded because capitalism.

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[–] Sl00k@programming.dev 5 points 21 hours ago

I feel like this is falling down the same trap though. Ex. Someone who's picked strawberries for 5 years is going to be FAST.

They are effectively a skilled laborer even though the job itself is "unskilled". Yes anyone "can" do it but there are those who have effectively been doing it for years who are great at it and are skilled at it.

[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 11 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (4 children)

When you start really thinking about it, often unskilled jobs are nearly all the necessary jobs for humanity to survive. No one is going to suffer if your PhD army can no longer update twitter, I'm afraid to name the percentage, but most skilled jobs are useless in the sense that they're not really making anything of value.

I think SEO jobs are good example of this.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 17 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

I disagree. Without Frtiz Haber inventing nitrogen fertilizer there wouldn't even be people to do unskilled labor.

This class battle has to stop. All economic fields are productive given that the market is valuing it. What's not productive is corruption and hoarding and middle manager fiddling. We have science to determine all that so we don't even need to gut feel this out.

Someone researching "transgender mice" can low key add more value than thousands or millions of "unskilled laborers". We need to diversify and value all avenues of our collective production and growth because thats just a smart thing to do. Except for billionaires and hoarders which clearly are a net negative.

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 17 points 20 hours ago

Putting skills in the right place does help. Your postdoc in agricultural sustainability will help all the "unskilled" agricultural labourers. Without you, they produce less in the long run. But without them, you get nothing at all.

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[–] howrar@lemmy.ca 11 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

That's no accident. A job is considered "unskilled" (or "unspecialized" as I like to call it) if any adult who's gone through the education system and is reasonably healthy can do. Since society would collapse without these jobs, we want to do everything we can to make sure we always have people who can do them. How do you make that happen? By designing the education system to teach everyone the skills to do them and making it mandatory to complete your schooling. As a result, nearly everyone is capable of doing some of the most important jobs for our society.

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 3 points 19 hours ago

Good point. But not just from planned education, I think. Most jobs can be done with a body and mind in moderate working order - our bodies and minds are amazing things! Picking fruit does not require a school education, nor does laying bricks require a gym routine. Though laying them straight needs training, reading instructions needs literacy and reporting results needs numeracy. Education helps.

[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 12 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

It's wild that no one can look up how unskilled labor is actually defined.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

Unskilled labor is kind of a misnomer. Perhaps the word should change to match what it is trying to say.

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[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 96 points 1 day ago (2 children)

it's also far less unskilled than people assign credit for. all work is knowledge work

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I feel like, especially here in the US, what unskilled means has changed to “any job that doesn’t require a college degree”.

We seem to have almost completely forgotten about apprenticeships and similar career paths.

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[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 4 points 17 hours ago

Nicole when she is not catfishing Lemmy users.

[–] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 38 points 1 day ago

It's only really a measure of how easy you are to replace.

[–] sirico@feddit.uk 17 points 1 day ago (3 children)

How quickly we threw those COVID hero's to the trash

[–] match@pawb.social 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

in general we threw them in the trash as a parcel with calling them heroes. we gave them recognition of their value in lieu of due compensation

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 7 points 19 hours ago

"You're so great! Please keep working while I reap the rewards and sit on my ever-growing pile of money."

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[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

For a brief moment in 2020, they temporarily relabeled them as "essential workers".

It just really meant they didn't matter, and they were the fodder for the virus.

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 6 points 19 hours ago

It meant their work is important enough to risk their lives for. "Some of you may die, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make."

[–] huppakee@lemm.ee 48 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I vote we call them 'core contributors' from now on.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I rememebe when they were called them heroes during covid, but received no increase in pay and were treated like shit again the moment the vaccine existed.

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

ah yes, you helped save society from collapse. Here’s a gold star and a rent increase. Thank you!

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 2 points 19 hours ago

Being good is its own reward!

(I'm not a hero, so I'll take your money as mine.)

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[–] dudinax@programming.dev 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The oldest jobs, which are the most important, are in some sense paid what they were when the job was created, so mothers are paid nothing, while farm workers, cooks, homemakers are paid next to nothing.

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 3 points 19 hours ago

Traditionally, mothers are 'paid' in the sense that they receive the fruits of the family's labour. So, if Daddy back in 2032 BC worked his arse off to get an iPhone, Mummy gets to play on it too. Or food or something idk

[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 8 points 22 hours ago

There is no such thing as unskilled labor. But there is a difference between labor used to develop and labor used to perform.

[–] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 day ago (44 children)

Skilled labor refers to jobs that require certification and training that imply specific distinct skill sets. For example if I tell you Im a mason, a plumber, or a radiologist you know exactly what my skills are.

Unskilled labor jobs are not jobs that lack skills rather they are the roles whose titles do not imply specific skills, tasks or educations. Im a wine importer what does. that tell you about what I know or can do? Can you tell my skill at say driving a forklift from that title?

Unskilled labor doesn’t mean you have no skills

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[–] Gowron_Howard@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Billionaires don’t actually work. The higher up the work chain the more you get paid, and the less you do.

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[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don’t worry. Republicans have a plan. Forcing births of unwanted children with no resources to house, feed, or educate them while relaxing child labor laws should fix that right up.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

And shutting down the department of education

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Right. You can learn everything you need to know on the farm or in the factory.

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