"independent" rarely means leftist. It usually means "Republican but not proud to wear the label", like libertarian.
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Who are these "independents"? Because if they're dumb enough to float over to fascism on a whim, we need to have a talk.
There was a different AP/NORC poll (arc) released the same day that showed this basic dynamic but with the partisan ratios even more out of whack
How fucking stupid were these independents 6 months ago?
Fucking stupid as hell
Almost as stupid as Gavin Newsom saying deportations were a distraction from tariffs and Dems shouldn't talk about them because Republicans were strong on that issue
Slightly stupider than all the "I'm NoT vOtInG fOr GeNoCiDe" dumbasses.
..but surely centrist hacks with zero integrity who cede the framing of every argument to fascists are the future of the party!!
Definitely make every political move you do based upon focus groups and polling, because people definitely love sock-in-the-wind, flip-flopping political creeps with no actual values!
How fucking ~~stupid~~ racist were these independents 6 months ago?
Ftfy
What a mamby pamby headline -- "trump is killing the economy, turning the country into a police state regime and independents kinda are noticing"
WTF ?? 40+ % agree with him? How can this country be like that?
ANYONE who supported him or voted for him or helped him get elected is a racist, a bigot and/or a misogynist--- I don't go for this "oh, a lot of people didn't know what he would do" bullsh!t.
This is why I tell people MAKE A LIST of everyone you know or know of that helped this madman, soon enough a lot of them are going to try and pretend they didn't and we can't let them.
I want to see the Latino community take revenge of these morons who helped him get elected. I want the families of these people snatched off the streets confronting them. I want to see these morons who helped him get elected because Joe Biden wasn't reacting the way they wanted on Gaza to go to Gaza and explain to them that they had to show Biden who was boss and help a man who wants to see them all dead become President.
WTF ?? 40+ % agree with him? How can this country be like that?
These 40% of people simply don't see any criticism of their Dear Leader, they self-select their media sources and those sources tell an entirely different story. I call it the Conservative Cinematic Universe....
That's completely ridiculous! Not all 40+% are people that worship Trump! A significant portion couldn't care if Trump lives or dies, but they like to see people hurt and/or they think they can profit from it.
If all we had to worry about were the cultists, Trump would be rotting in prison now.
They may not all consider themselves to be part of the Trump cult, but they all believe that the Conservative Cinematic Universe is reality, and right now, it is all slobbering Trump's toadstool. So is there any real difference between a true Cultist, and someone who simply believes all the same lies?
Thanks, Madame Defarge.
Oh no a new poll shows fascism isn't popular?
Only 21% of independents want wrongfully deported Kilmar Abrego Garcia to remain imprisoned.
Translation: 21% of independents are a**holes.
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Independents are not a homogeneous group. A fairer statement is that 100% of assholes are assholes.
not a homogeneous group.
21% of
There is no "of" to take 21% from.
How was anyone expecting the guy who openly tried to steal an election after losing to be anything but lawless?
The mass media, even so called lefty MSNBC which is center at best. Though usually pretty solid right. Didn't cover it with the appropriate tone or seriousness it deserved. MSNBC did at least start out that way and tried before giving up. The rest of the media never did. And so there was 4 years of largely rehab to trumps image. The simple fact that he incited a coup wasn't brought up much for fear of losing access.
And so, people started to question their own eyes. Question whether there was actually really a coup or not. If it was just being blown out of proportion like conservatives blow fluoride in the water out of proportion. If the popular media isn't going to treat it like it's serious why would the average consumer of popular media?
Hell so much of the media spent so much more time covering Republican false accusations of Democrats smuggling in immigrants to hurt America. Suddenly the truth became lies and lies became the truth.
And before you admonish and ridicule these people for not going to such and such website to get the truth etc. A lot of people don't get their information and news online still. Relying on the completely captured 4th estate to report on and distill even news happening online down for them. And this is the power of control and propaganda. For a short while at least perception can be reality. We need to spend less time haranguing and attacking people who mistakenly voted for trump. Instead trying to find a way to disarm and defeat the captured fourth estate.
You don't even have to think that hard into it. The man is litterally a convicted felon. The only reason he isn't in jail is Biden's DoJ wasn't as aggressive as it could have been.
Biden's DOJ: People will respect us for being non-partisan
People: See, if Trump did any real crimes he'd be in prison but he's not because Biden's DOJ was just playing politics
Tried? He and Melon definitely did so.
It was "aspirational"
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Damn, OP. Stop giving me false hope!
They have the memory of a goldfish, but they aren't evil.
And the backbone of a slug.
It makes sense, he doesn't need independents anymore. In fact, if he holds on to power past 2028, he won't need any votes at all to do it.
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Stupid fucking cunts.
BuT RoSs UlBrIcHt aNd CrYpTo!
With all the constitution and laws I find it scary that america cannot (or does not want to) stop the monster they hired for their president.
The Constitution and laws are just letters written on paper. They don't actually do anything unless enough people take real risks and sacrifices to act on them.
the view
Fucking… it’s not a view. He IS.
Because he's insane?
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