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[–] breecher@sh.itjust.works 61 points 16 hours ago

Nah, it is the other way around. Historians would say those facts, and Hollywood and possibly general media would be the ones saying "sexy".

[–] Meltdown@lemmy.world 21 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Can you give a single example of an ancient historian describing her as sexy? All the sources I've seen focus on her skills and realpolitik rather than her beauty.

[–] Ilandar@lemmy.today 12 points 10 hours ago

The average person thinks Hollywood producers = historians.

[–] a9cx34udP4ZZ0@lemmy.world 14 points 13 hours ago

But she really, really wasn't. And she wasn't even Egyptian, she was Macedonia Greek (and it shows).

[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 33 points 16 hours ago

It's because of historians you those things about Cleopatra

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 6 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

"Catherine the Great was great because she fucked a horse."

[–] JowlesMcGee@fedia.io 2 points 10 hours ago

I mean, how many other women can say they've done the same?

[–] Walk_blesseD@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 9 hours ago

Nono you don't get it, she wanted to be the horse.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 14 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

'Cos the romans were so fucked up they literally could not handle being out maneuvered, outsmarted, outstrategised by a woman. So they framed it as "pussy pass"

[–] FearMeAndDecay@literature.cafe 6 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

Wasn’t she actually considered not super attractive at the time? Like not necessarily ugly, but she wasn’t being mistaken for Venus incarnate. It was only later on that the idea of her being super hot because popular right?

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 7 points 14 hours ago

There was significant amounts of incest within her family tree, so it's likely that she wasn't that good looking

[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago

Powerful women are sexy! Dont need to be crazy hot when you can whisper in my ear, the language of a people you just steam rolled.

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[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 24 points 19 hours ago

I agree all those things are hot as f.

Talk to me more stabilization of the region baby in any of those 9 languages.

[–] MusicSoulEdu@lemmy.ca 23 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

I do find it hilarious that we associate sexiness with Cleopatra because of an intensive smear campaign.

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 11 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

we will ruin your reputation by making you the greatest slay queen in human history...

[–] StarMerchant938@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Fr lol she's like a step down from the Greek and Roman goddesses in her reputation, if anything their attempt to smear her put her on a pedestal.

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 3 points 15 hours ago

it's funny when one culture misogyny makes their insults fail.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 13 points 19 hours ago

I would like to know more please.

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[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 13 points 17 hours ago

What can I say, competence is sexy, excellence even moreso

I guess when they say, she bathed in milk, they mean, she bathed in cum?

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 41 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

Why are there pipes ("|") in the text? It's throwing me

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 15 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

my take is that they're trying to do the ">text" to indicate that is an action rather than words, but it formatted to a quote box

>this is what was meant

this is what happened

that's my guess tho idk

[–] TypFaffke@feddit.org 5 points 18 hours ago

But why is it "my brother" then? It should be "her brother". I think they are truly fucked up I characters

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[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 8 points 18 hours ago

so SPOKE command gets the output from CLEOPATRA:

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

|'m guessing it's to spur engagement.

And, we fell for |t.

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[–] foggy@lemmy.world 183 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Why did they use a pipe instead of the letter I?

| Don't like it.

[–] BeefPiano@lemmy.world 75 points 1 day ago

|’m glad |’m not the only one annoyed by that.

[–] donuts@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Because you would start talking about it

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Yeah one of the fist ways I learned to create engagement was to fake typos / make simple grammer mistakes.

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[–] addie@feddit.uk 70 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Nothing to me says 'sexy' quite like your grandad and your great-grandad being the same guy, or your (great * 5)-grandmother / grandfather being one man and woman, when most people have that responsibility spread between 64 people.

Close family. Must have made Christmas easy - having the in-laws round isn't so bad when they're your own blood relatives too.

[–] Iceman@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago

Small domino: Greek bloodline fuckery.

Middle Domino: Hollywood.

Big domino: Incest porn.

[–] ehxor@lemmy.ca 38 points 1 day ago

Ah yes the “family wreath”

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 28 points 23 hours ago

Must have made Christmas easy

Quite difficult at the time, actually.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Yeah I can't remember the reasoning / evidence but I do remember reading that Cleopatra was unlikely to have been beautiful or "sexy". IIRC it's indeed because she was likely to have congenital deformities due to inbreeding - much like those of Tutankhamen.

She was extraordinary powerful, well educated, and had a terrifying intellect. Additionally she would have bathed daily which would have been alluring in that era.

That said, there's no shortage of other powerful Egyptian babes, Nefertiti and Hatshepsut come to mind.

Edit: Plutarch the Roman historian said something diplomatic like physical beauty is not her most striking feature. Which, when talking about a ruler, is saying she's ugly.

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[–] OscarCunningham@lemmy.world 110 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Stable and prosperous? She started with a civil war and ended by being conquered by Rome. The bit in the middle wasn't stable either.

Getting conquered by Rome is just what you do when you live by their sea.

But yes, it was, all things are relative, and one can't blame the beach for the tsunami.

[–] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 14 points 22 hours ago

Getting conquered by Rome was all the rage back then

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[–] LesserAbe@lemmy.world 92 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Was it historians who were saying Cleopatra was sexy or filmmakers?

[–] BrokenGlepnir@lemmy.world 42 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Don't historians say she probably wasn't sexy? Just super bold which attracted powerful men, who hasn't seen much of that back then.

She was a powerful personality. All the records indicate that she was of seemingly above average beauty standards, but nothing earth shattering.

Instead, it is claimed that her strength of personality is what attracted the powerful men in her life to her.

[–] breecher@sh.itjust.works 2 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Yeah, it is the exact opposite of what OP claims. Historians are basically the only ones constantly demystifying her, while her legend as a sexy femme fatale lives on in the general public mind (thanks pretty much exclusively to Hollywood, because let's face it, noone would know she existed without them).

[–] Konstant@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago

She probably like a lot of celebrities who are average looking but over produce to look way hotter.

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[–] higgsboson@dubvee.org 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

OP, you might want to read an actual history book or three.

[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Have they made any of them into movies?

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[–] witty_username@feddit.nl 11 points 1 day ago

I heard she was even her own mom

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