Nah, it is the other way around. Historians would say those facts, and Hollywood and possibly general media would be the ones saying "sexy".
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Can you give a single example of an ancient historian describing her as sexy? All the sources I've seen focus on her skills and realpolitik rather than her beauty.
The average person thinks Hollywood producers = historians.
But she really, really wasn't. And she wasn't even Egyptian, she was Macedonia Greek (and it shows).
It's because of historians you those things about Cleopatra
"Catherine the Great was great because she fucked a horse."
I mean, how many other women can say they've done the same?
Nono you don't get it, she wanted to be the horse.
'Cos the romans were so fucked up they literally could not handle being out maneuvered, outsmarted, outstrategised by a woman. So they framed it as "pussy pass"
Wasn’t she actually considered not super attractive at the time? Like not necessarily ugly, but she wasn’t being mistaken for Venus incarnate. It was only later on that the idea of her being super hot because popular right?
There was significant amounts of incest within her family tree, so it's likely that she wasn't that good looking
Powerful women are sexy! Dont need to be crazy hot when you can whisper in my ear, the language of a people you just steam rolled.
I agree all those things are hot as f.
Talk to me more stabilization of the region baby in any of those 9 languages.
I do find it hilarious that we associate sexiness with Cleopatra because of an intensive smear campaign.
we will ruin your reputation by making you the greatest slay queen in human history...
Fr lol she's like a step down from the Greek and Roman goddesses in her reputation, if anything their attempt to smear her put her on a pedestal.
it's funny when one culture misogyny makes their insults fail.
I would like to know more please.
What can I say, competence is sexy, excellence even moreso
I guess when they say, she bathed in milk, they mean, she bathed in cum?
Why are there pipes ("|") in the text? It's throwing me
my take is that they're trying to do the ">text" to indicate that is an action rather than words, but it formatted to a quote box
>this is what was meant
this is what happened
that's my guess tho idk
But why is it "my brother" then? It should be "her brother". I think they are truly fucked up I characters
so SPOKE command gets the output from CLEOPATRA:
|'m guessing it's to spur engagement.
And, we fell for |t.
Why did they use a pipe instead of the letter I?
| Don't like it.
|’m glad |’m not the only one annoyed by that.
Because you would start talking about it
Yeah one of the fist ways I learned to create engagement was to fake typos / make simple grammer mistakes.
*mistokies
Nothing to me says 'sexy' quite like your grandad and your great-grandad being the same guy, or your (great * 5)-grandmother / grandfather being one man and woman, when most people have that responsibility spread between 64 people.
Close family. Must have made Christmas easy - having the in-laws round isn't so bad when they're your own blood relatives too.
Small domino: Greek bloodline fuckery.
Middle Domino: Hollywood.
Big domino: Incest porn.
Ah yes the “family wreath”
Must have made Christmas easy
Quite difficult at the time, actually.
Yeah I can't remember the reasoning / evidence but I do remember reading that Cleopatra was unlikely to have been beautiful or "sexy". IIRC it's indeed because she was likely to have congenital deformities due to inbreeding - much like those of Tutankhamen.
She was extraordinary powerful, well educated, and had a terrifying intellect. Additionally she would have bathed daily which would have been alluring in that era.
That said, there's no shortage of other powerful Egyptian babes, Nefertiti and Hatshepsut come to mind.
Edit: Plutarch the Roman historian said something diplomatic like physical beauty is not her most striking feature. Which, when talking about a ruler, is saying she's ugly.
Stable and prosperous? She started with a civil war and ended by being conquered by Rome. The bit in the middle wasn't stable either.
Getting conquered by Rome is just what you do when you live by their sea.
But yes, it was, all things are relative, and one can't blame the beach for the tsunami.
Getting conquered by Rome was all the rage back then
Don't historians say she probably wasn't sexy? Just super bold which attracted powerful men, who hasn't seen much of that back then.
She was a powerful personality. All the records indicate that she was of seemingly above average beauty standards, but nothing earth shattering.
Instead, it is claimed that her strength of personality is what attracted the powerful men in her life to her.
Yeah, it is the exact opposite of what OP claims. Historians are basically the only ones constantly demystifying her, while her legend as a sexy femme fatale lives on in the general public mind (thanks pretty much exclusively to Hollywood, because let's face it, noone would know she existed without them).
She probably like a lot of celebrities who are average looking but over produce to look way hotter.
I heard she was even her own mom