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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Don't ask me for a phone number and I'll use it.

[–] tym@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

The irony of you posting this on lemmy, which won't allow posting from a VPN or masked email addresses is not lost on me.

The amount of hoops I had to jump through to make this comment and maintain some semblance of privacy is infuriating but at least it's not reddit I guess?

But do go on about your security standards...

Edit: BTW, you can set signal to hide your number completely. Combined with FOSS-based encryption keys on-device makes signal the only choice for trying to maintain freedom of expression globally.

Nothing will protect anyone from messaging with a snitch who knows how to screenshot though. Food for thought.. get to know your neighbors now.

[–] blujan@sopuli.xyz 1 points 34 minutes ago

You're using the wrong lemmy server then, no problem with mine

[–] deltapi@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

When did WhatsApp start allowing signups without a phone number?

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

No clue. Never even tried to use it since it's a Meta product. I was referring to Signal's phone # requirement being a non-starter.

[–] Liberal_Ghost@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
[–] humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
[–] toynbee@lemmy.world 1 points 30 minutes ago

I use both and have been happy with both, but note that Element / Matrix have recently announced the intent to add paid service tiers.

[–] Steven_T_Baxter@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Compare with Zangi Private Messenger. Yes, every country who has jurisdiction has access. Just ask yourself, which gov do I trust more with my private chats?

[–] gamer@lemm.ee 2 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

Anyone know why the Signal app isn't available on F-Droid? Isn't it supposed to be open source?

[–] notarobot@lemm.ee 6 points 5 hours ago

I think it's by request. the fdroid team build every single app in their repos which means that they are not always fully up to date, so signal argues that whenever they need to push a security release people on froid would take forever to update.

I think I've had this issue with simplex. I've had to wait over 2 weeks for an update. That's why I'm using obtanium for it instead

[–] tincansandtwine@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Molly is in f-droid, though it's technically third party. Looks identical though.

[–] ballgoat@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago

I was looking at Molly.im and it has its own f-droid repo. There are two options: with and without Google servicios.

[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 10 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

How do we know signal isn’t also run by a techbro who just wants our data?

[–] hackitfast@lemmy.world 25 points 9 hours ago

I don't think that the founders are bad people. If you look at their history of work, they have done enormous amounts of work in the computer security sector. The founder, however, did run a cloud based WPA cracking service.

Meredith Whitaker, who is the president, used to work at Google doing research for "issues related to net neutrality measurement, privacy, security, and the social consequences of artificial intelligence".

In 2018 she then staged walkouts at Google over concerns of sexual misconduct and citizen surveillance.

The people on Signal's board seem to be trustworthy people with a pretty airtight background. You have to worry more about the mobile operating system compromising you than do you about Signal.

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 11 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Does it really matter who made it if you can see the source code? You don't have to trust them.

[–] ballgoat@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

That’s kind of a core tenet of libre/open software, innit? Independently verifiable software that you can change at your pleasure.

[–] Ricaz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Can you though? Can I build the apk myself and use their services?

[–] ballgoat@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 hours ago

Yes, you can use their exact build environment straight from GitHub. You can also use Molly.im which is another app that i think is a fork? Im still investigating it.

[–] raynethackery@lemmy.world 8 points 11 hours ago

TIL I have no family I care to keep in touch with and I have no friends.

[–] perestroika@lemm.ee 11 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (7 children)

I will use the opportunity to remind that Signal is operated by a non-profit in the jurisdiction called "the US". This could have implications.

A somewhat more anarchist option might be TOX. There is no single client, TOX is a protocol, you can choose from half a dozen clients. I personally use qTox.

Upside: no phone number required. No questions asked.

Downside: no servers to store and forward messages. You can talk if both parties are online.

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 7 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

You can use Signal with a different client. Signal being operated within the US has no effect. As of now the jurisdictions that I know of to be worried about are:

The UK, where Apple was recently ordered to remove end-to-end encryption features, and have been gagged from talking about it

Sweden, where a law is proposed to add an encryption backdoor

The EU, where leadership is pushing for an encryption backdoor

My understanding is that the Indian government under the BJP and Congress has been pretty consistently anti-encryption, and violated privacy rights

France arrested the founder of Telegram for using end to end encryption in Telegram

Australia in 2018 passed a law that enabled the government to require communications platforms add a backdoor for government decryption. The Director of the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO) said that “privacy is important but not absolute”. Which has the same vibes as "this is not about human rights, this is about human life."

WhatsApp was previously suspended in Brazil for refusing to hand over decrypted messages.

Austria is in the process of passing legislation allowing police to backdoor encryption in messaging apps

China and Russia are very obvious problems. Here's an easy one of many examples

The White House both in Trump's first term and in Biden's presidency were pro-encryption. Signal and Tor were US government funded projects. That's not to say the US is great on encryption, and there have been laws in the past that did/were proposed to limit it. But, as of now, it seems that the US is (edit: one of) the most hospitable jurisdictions for encrypted messaging non-profits.

BTW, I'm not saying using Tox is bad, or that Signal is good, I'm just talking about the US jurisdiction part.

[–] perestroika@lemm.ee 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

You can use Signal with a different client.

Can you advise, which one would be a good one? Because I actually use Signal too, it's just misbehaving a lot recently.

I have had endless difficulties with Signal forcing upgrades on me and requiring to sign in on the phone, under threat of deactivating my account (I use it on a PC).

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago

I've never used any, but Molly seems well liked

[–] lmuel@sopuli.xyz 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Well yeah we could also use Briar or whatever... but would your grandma?

[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 1 points 5 hours ago

i've only managed to get some of my fam to move over to signal. the other half full on refused

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[–] falynns@lemmy.world 23 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Humans are too stupid to switch from convenience to slightly less convenience even if they get privacy for free. Any amount of discomfort is too much and changing an app is basically death.

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