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[–] TWeaK@lemmy.today 1 points 29 minutes ago

Copenhagen pretty much has this. So easy to get around everywhere.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

somebody should do a compilation including data about:

  • the costs of public transport against private cars, for the whole city
  • the space consumption for parking your private cars in a city compared to the space consumption for all public transport vehicles

and make a statistics and post it here

[–] Bashnagdul@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago

They have (I've seen them, but don't have a link sorry) and car free or semi car free with good bike and public infrastructure is almost always cheaper and more efficient

[–] ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Or even

Wait for it

SELF DRIVING TRANSIT

Which yes is already a thing too

And much easier to implement than self driving cars

[–] HeyJoe@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

*and affordable. The trains by me are barely affordable, so I will only take them if absolutely necessary. It would be amazing if it was cheap enough that I could just pick a place to go and explore without needing a reason.

[–] buttnugget@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago

Free at point of service. No more of this regressive individual riders pay nonsense.

[–] rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I'm hearing you want continental Europe

[–] atthecoast@feddit.nl 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

New York City, Washington DC, Boston, MA?

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

SD, LA, SF, Sacramento, Portland, Seattle, Vancouver

Please.

[–] atthecoast@feddit.nl 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I’m realizing these cities were founded in colonial times by Europeans

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

.... yes? not sure what that has to do with high speed rail but you're not wrong.

* exceptions may apply

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago

Shame that they don't want me. ;_;

[–] Yupa@ani.social 2 points 18 hours ago

*western continental Europe

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 77 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I've been saying for years "self driving cars are solving the wrong problem". The problem isn't that I have to steer my car. The problem is I need a fucking car to go anywhere worth going.

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 58 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (26 children)

I saw a video recently by a car enthusiast who hates the idea of self driving cars for a novel reason.

Even if self-driving cars are safer than people it won’t stop bad owners. People who drive with unsafe mechanical issues they can’t or won’t get fixed are still going to exist, and bald tires and worn brakes would eliminate any potential safety benefits of self driving.

And by further removing people from the operation of a car, you’re making them worse owners. They won’t know what a worn tie rod bushing would feel like because they never steer. Making cars into appliances just makes them less safe.

He also made a point that I agree with: If we get people who don’t want to drive off the road, the roads would be nicer for people who do want to drive.

[–] paranoia 4 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

People who drive with unsafe mechanical issues they can’t or won’t get fixed are still going to exist, and bald tires and worn brakes would eliminate any potential safety benefits of self driving.

In European nations we just inspect the shit out of every car to ensure safety. The car must be mechanically satisfactory and have adequate brakes, tyres, etc.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 1 points 30 minutes ago

In the US only 19 states have mandatory periodic safety inspections

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

Back when I used to agree with Mush, he said something I still agree with, "you don't want flying cars, because you don't want a poorly maintained car to fly around and lose a hubcap".

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

A solution to this would be if mechanics would come to every owner's house, inspect the cars, and do repairs, but that's not unique to autonomous cars. Plus, that's super expensive. Not the best solution by far.

Alternatively, since the cars are autonomous, they could report to repair facilities on their own, and return to owners once repairs are complete. This might be a decent solution if the owner can program which repair facility the car should go to, likely based on what's cheapest or well known.

These are the only solutions I can think of that don't include a third party owning the cars themselves, with monitor where the cars are and can direct them to their own repair facility (or one of their choosing). Doesn't really seem so far off from the owner's having this control now that I think of it.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 1 points 33 minutes ago

Any sane country has mandatory periodic safety inspections for vehicles. No need to have mechanics inspect cars at people's homes since owners are required to bring them to the garage every few years.

[–] troglodyke@lemmy.federate.cc 1 points 8 hours ago

Manufacturers would probably require owners to go to their garages, autonomous cars would probably kill of most independent mechanics. Then we'll see massive price gouging and planned obsolescence - this is the same industry that had widespread cheating on emission testing after all

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[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Metype@pawb.social 8 points 22 hours ago

Yeah, public transit so common and part of day-to-day it's unremarkable and boring.

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