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Cacio e pepe: UK Good Food pasta recipe sparks fury in Italy (www.bbc.com)
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[–] dotslashme@infosec.pub 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Giorgio Eramo runs a fresh pasta restaurant near St Peter's square - serving up cacio e pepe and other traditional pasta dishes.

"It's terrible. It's not cacio e pepe... What Good Food published, with butter and parmesan, is called 'pasta Alfredo'. It's another kind of pasta," he said.

On his restaurant's board of pastas, he offers cacio e pepe with lime - a variation. But he says that's ok.

"It's different, it's for the summer, to make the pasta more fresh. But it doesn't impact the tradition. It's not like cream or butter. Lime is just a small change."

While I do agree with the statement that there should not be any butter or Parmesan in cacio e pepe, the fact that this guy adds lime to his and saying it's still cacio e pepe, just make it sound like as long as Italians do the change, it's okay.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago

Otoh calling it "(thing) with lime" is more hobest than calling it "(thing)" and putting lime in yours.

Also, as he points out, the recipe given by bbc is an actual thing with a different name, which is a solid point. It's like a spelling error into another word that makes sense in context is worse than one where you can still tell what the original wprd was intendd to be.

[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 5 points 3 days ago

"The suggestion of adding some cream gave me goosebumps."

That night they couldn't sleep, they could only stare at the ceiling, picturing buckets of cream getting poured onto pure, innocent pasta.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 9 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Hey Italians, I put ketchup on microwaved pasta. Come get me too! 😆

[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 2 points 2 days ago

Japan has a famous dish that uses ketchup on spaghetti: napolitan

[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

Don't need Italy for that. I'm an American and that's still a crime. Maybe even a hate crime. What did that poor pasta ever do to you to deserve this inhumane treatment?

[–] 0ops@piefed.zip 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I will turn your bones al dente

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

You can try it: break the pasta in half, lay it in a deep/soup plate, fill the plate with water and microwave at max power for 10 minutes (mix it halfway). The pasta will be al dente. 👨‍🍳

[–] Hugin@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (2 children)
[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 4 points 4 days ago

Japan does it with regular ketchup

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naporitan

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 1 points 4 days ago

Everything is allowed if you just call them noodles 😄

[–] Bonus@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

Tell it to r/ItalianFood

[–] itsathursday@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Reminds me of when Gino D’acampo got angry about sour cream https://youtu.be/jFby3IEs9V0

[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 days ago

"If my grandmother has wheels she would've been a bike!"

[–] Davel23@fedia.io 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Not sour cream, salad cream. It's kind of like mayonnaise.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 points 4 days ago

Only more vinegary.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 4 days ago

Maybe the drama was the real secret ingredient in Good Food's recipe?

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Getting mad at the colonizers who took over every country renowned for its cuisine and proceeded to reboot their dishes with the shittiest, low-effort fakes they could think of. "Curry" that's basically turmeric LaCroix, "sausage" that's mostly filler (eg. sawdust, etc.), tea that's more cream/sugar/old AF shake than not, et al... Of course they're gonna add cream to your perfect, timeless simplicity of that traditional dish, friends. They're fucking knobs about "food", but wait until the Americans get it as a flavor of boxed mac & cheese. 🤌🏼

[–] SGforce@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I know it seems weird, but I thought curry was actually invented by the Brits.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 12 points 4 days ago

I chuckled at you, but turns ou that is not 100% wrong either. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curry

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

That's chicken tikka masala but you weren't far off.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tikka_masala

The origins of the dish are debated, with many believing it was created by South Asian cooks in Britain.

[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 days ago

I am British, and an Indian friend who studied in the UK says he always finds it funny when British people talk about curry as if it's a thing, like a defined meal or something. Apparently in India, it sort of just means "sauce"

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The Americans have really good versions of the recipe, but they bill you to see it.

No, not kidding. Want the recipe? Pay up!!

https://www.americastestkitchen.com/recipes/14179-cacio-e-pepe-for-two

Free version shows you the technique, but no measurements. Toast the peppercorns and grind by hand. How much? Yeah good luck!

Mix some pasta water with the cheese to turn it into a sauce, again, how much water? How much cheese? Pay up for the recipe, bitches!

https://www.americastestkitchen.com/articles/8536-how-to-make-cacio-e-pepe

Video version from a different site (but the founder of the previous site):

https://youtu.be/nS0Jx83HS8g

[–] PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

To be fair, America's Test Kitchen is a treasure of cooking information, I really like their cookbooks because they explain "why" for their recipes from a technical standpoint, which helps to understand substitutions where necessary. Plus they explain all the testing they did on variations and results, which helps troubleshoot my own dishes. The Cook's Illustrated Meat Book may as well be named the Meat Bible (for the home cook).

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

The streaming TV channel is also good at giving you the exact measurements missing from the online stuff, absolutely agreed. They're just super aggressive with the paywall.

Buy the cookbooks, ignore the subscription BS.

[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 days ago

Blame the Germans, I got it from Aldi :p