I find it interesting how every post I see on Lemmy about Fairphone always has half of the comments complaining about the lack of a head home jack, but in real life I don't know a single person that really laments it's removal. All the people I personally know are fine with Bluetooth headphones. This is just such a loud minority, it's impressive. I know that there is overlap between people that want a headphone jack and people that want a repairable phone, but still, I feel it's way over-represented in the comments.
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Since you asked, the lack of the headphone jack is the exact reason I have not upgraded my phone. I use my phone for music in my two cars and my home gym. None of those currently have Bluetooth.
Upgrading all 3 is just a matter of money of course - throw everything I have away & buy new. I see no reason to do that.
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I still use a wired headphone.
You can't beat the battery life of Infinity. Go non stop for a complete day and even or you forgot to charge, keep using the next day without any downtime.
For me, this is just one less thing to worry about.
Plus, I can use mine on flights instead of their sorry excuse of electronic waste.
My wireless headphone batteries last weeks and I can use them on planes?... Unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean.
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I hated the loss of the jack until I got lightning/usbc headphones. The microphone and sound controls are so good I honestly widh my steam deck had a second USB c slot rather than a headphone jack
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I just want the option. Sure I use bluetooth 98% of the time, but when I'm in a car I'd rather hook in through the jack than the tooth. And when I'm out hiking I also like the jack option so I don't have to worry about my blutooth battery dying, bluetooth draining my phone faster, loosing an earbud in the leaves and so on.
bluetooth draining my phone faster
Bluetooth was specifically designed to be very low power. With a bluetooth headphone there is a battery in the headphone to power the amplifier and provide the energy to move the speaker diaphragm. With passive (wired) headphones, this has to be powered by your phone.
Do you really think that a phone that has to directly drive the speakers in a headphone uses less power than a phone that only has to power the bluetooth transmitter?
I love wired headphones, but I wouldnโt ever drive them directly from my phone. Especially higher end headphones are more difficult to drive anyway, so I use a (wired) external DAC/amp with itโs own internal battery for using my wired headphones.
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I absolutely hate wired headphones. It always get tangled, breaks or otherwise gets fucked up. I now have an Audeze Maxwell headphone and as a backup to their dongle, The LDAC bluetoooth codec combined with Qobuz Hifi sound is perfect for me.
Never missed the 3,5mm port.
The only thing in not loving is the planned obsolecense of most battery Bluetooth headsets.
(I do recognise and respect others for wanting the 3,5mm port, of course. To each their own preferred way of strangling themselves when listening to audio I guess)
They largely brought that on themselves. I mean obviously they did by removing the jack, but I think moreso by claiming to be better than the rest of the industry - and charging a premium for that difference.
When Samsung removed the jack it was annoying, and also very hypocritical as they had made fun of Apple for that just a year before, but it was to be expected from a corporation like that. These guys promised they weren't like that, and then did the same thing.
You can imagine it like this: if you see an ad by a pop star trying to sell you some bullshit product that doesn't work you'd think "that's shitty" and move on. But if you saw the same ad, but instead of the plain old pop star it was the members of Rage Against the Machine, you'd notice that a lot more. Everything they had done before would ring hollow, and every time someone would bring them up you'd remember that they're just posers looking to make a buck off of a demographic.
And that's how I feel about this phone. Just posing as something better.
I can see that, that's a fair point, but I don't think it's malicious from their standpoint. I just think that when you look at their sales, they really are trying to cut down costs as much as possible while retaining their main goals of being a repairable phone with ethical materials, because in the end, if they're not profitable, they won't be making phones anymore, and then you won't have a company making repairable or ethical phones at all. Headphone jacks are a relatively easy thing to remove because realistically, very few people use them nowadays. There is a vocal minority that wants them but they really are just a minority, and catering to every single niche for a company as small as them isn't realistic.
You have been visited by the USB-C port. This post is now protected against headphone jack jihadists
Give me a phone with two USB-C ports so I don't need a dongle when I wire up to my USB-C headphones and battery bank
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" is no longer a compromise (except in the US)"
Yeah that's about what I expect ๐ฅน
I love that they finally listened and added back the jack!
Is this ironic or did they actually? I kind find any source saying they did.
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Not looking for a new phone for a few more years from now. But when I do I really hope that this phone will be available with a better camera and that Linux mobile options will be mature as well.
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As a Fairphone 5 owner, 6 seams like a downgrade to me, with it's USB 2. I don't care about whatever refresh rate they have, USB alt mode is way more important to me, also dropping audio jack was bad enough already.
Well, the audio problem is not going to be worse with 2.0. USB 2.0 can deliver 480Mbps. Audio data rates are in Kbps. Even at 192kHz, 24 bui studio recordings it is only 4.6Mbps. Stereo audio is easy from a digital perspective. Also, USB 2.0 is MUCH less susceptible to bad hardware design, bad cables and dongles, and bad shielding. A single twisted pair at low speeds and minimal negotiation is much simpler and almost never drops. In a joystick design I did, I had a 20cm long untwisted pair in testing and it never dropped at all.
USB 3.0+ (and especially external display capabilities) is an order of magnitude more noise sensitive, impedance variation limited, and susceptible to bad design. If you use a non-twisted cable, it won't even negotiate USB 3.0 and will only work with 2.0.
That being said, USB 3.0+ for large file transfers and an external monitor desktop mode would be so much better, but I guess not many people use those.
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The value of the fp is the refurbished market. All the component can be replaced, and the system will be maintained for years by the os.
I'm happy to see a new one in the market, because it means I will be able to upgrade my fp4 for cheaper now! ๐
for me the dealbreaker is the lack of a second physical sim slot. I really like the concept of Fairphone and would absolutely buy one, but I have a work sim and a personal one, both physical (not eSim) so Samsung it is for now
Canada please!
Article is paywalled for me
Best I could come across. Canโt access the other archive sites atm for some reason.
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$600 I'd go for it... $900 in the US... :-( can't justify it. I'll keep watching closely though. I so want one of these. As well as a Framework laptop, in the future.
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I've been using my FP6 with e/os for a week now and I'm very happy with it.
My phone before it was a S10.
Please release an FP6 mini. Model its size on iphone 13 mini or better yet, the 2018 SE. It would be worth more to me than the current gigantic model so I would pay more for it.
The problem is a lot of people say they want small phones, but in practice almost nobody actually buys small phones. The reason companies don't make them, and many have tried, is they just don't sell. Fairphone is a pretty small company. They do not sell that many phones, so having multiple SKUs of the same phone would just tank their profitability.
I agree. FP needs to walk a fine line between ethics and being profitable. In FP threads people keep making demands instead of being able to compromise
You worked to create a phone made with ethical factory conditions which no one else does? How nice! Wait, what do you mean it doesn't have a headphone jack/ is too big?! I don't care about the people anymore
Same with people saying "the price is not worth it for a mid tier phone" yes of course it's not, you're partly paying for how it's manufactured, which has no direct benefit to you as a user. This is an ethical purchase. Recycled cotton t-shirts made in Germany cost 40 euro, I wonder why?
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I'm very tempted to get one, at least once there's a lineage build for it, since it will let me finally degoogle completely. Currently on an S24 and even with ADB it's still a nightmare with the phone constantly telling me there's an "issue" with my google account (which doesn't exist anymore) and google services like gemini reinstalling after updates.
/e/OS is a pretty good de-Googled alternative, fully supported. :)
And based on lineage!
I might try it out then. I've heard mixed things on e, something about security patches coming months later than other ROMs, but I see murena claim that they are in line with most android manufacturers, just not as quick as hardened ROMs like graphene. Maybe I'll see this week about swapping over.
DivestOS used to be the bomb. Super secure. Monthly updates. Super private. Ran on tons of hardware. But it was run by 1 guy and he recently dropped the project. Which is fair, it was a lot of free labor and donations weren't paying the bills, but so sad :(
A little rant about that, sorry in advance:
The Graphene team seems very busy trash talking /e/OS and Fairphone on social media (at least Mastodon) for not being secure enough.
Their criticism boils down to how nothing except GrapheneOS on a Pixel phone can ever be "secure enough", but they are weirdly aggressive and insistant about it targetting /e/ specifically.
I used to care when I saw their posts as of course I want my phone to be reasonably safe, but the more I looked at it the more it boled down to bullshit.
Furthermore:
- They insist one should buy a Pixel phone produced by Google - avoiding Google is my #1 priority from the start. Clearly my values don't overlap with theirs
- They pretend like /e/ is super dangerous because non-0-day exploits can get patched later. Yet /e/ provides software updates for much longer, while in the past all my phones that didn't break right away have immediately stopped receiving updates. Longer software support = more security.
- Contained apps is not so important if you don't install random bullshit on your phone. I get as much as possible from f-droid, which is very well screened.
- The communication of the GrapheneOS team around this has been pathetic to the point where I have frankly lost trust in the project. I struggle to trust a team I don't respect. /e/OS was started by the founder of Mandrake Linux, and as far as I've seen he seems to have values that align with mine.
- I like /e/OS. It lets me avoid companies like Google, block trackers, and just use my phone free of things I hate and cannot control or understand. For me, that is security.
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Exactly.
Since /e/OS is not a security-hardened mobile OS, it is targeting standard industry practices. Therefore, for a given release on month N, our current work-flow is to integrate Android security patches from month N-1. As a result, in the worst case, it will take up to 9 weeks to roll out the latest available security updates.In most cases, it will be much sooner.
An exception is made for 0-day exploits: in this case our policy is to build and roll out a patched version of /e/OS as soon as possible.
/e/OS is good, I also use Calyx with MicroG and all of my bank apps work.
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