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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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INFO

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Adultification

Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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[–] Openopenopenopen@lemmy.world 94 points 2 weeks ago (14 children)

For those who Don’t know the story, his name was Rodney King.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King

[–] limelight79@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I remember Rush Limbaugh saying, in his book, that the video played on the news was looped...

Even if that was true (I don't know if it is), the cops were still hitting a guy who was already on the ground, with batons...

It would have been swept under the rug if someone hadn't videotaped it.

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[–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I grew up with a (very racist) dad who claimed the video cut out "the part where Rodney was attacking the officers and they couldn't get him under control".

I also remember upon seeing American History X where the main guy in a flashback repeated the same lie my dad did damn near verbatim.

America has always been racist and the racists have always used the same unoriginal playbook time and time again.

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[–] 1D10@lemmy.world 68 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Honestly having grown up in the 80s I feel that racism is tolerated a lot less today. Most places will fire openly racist people now, but I worked with guys in the 90s who would have flat out racist conversations in the break room and the only black guy there couldn't say shit or he would get fired, after all they did tell him "you're one of the good ones" so why would he be mad?

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I worked with guys in the 90s who would have flat out racist conversations in the break room

I work with people today who have flat out racist conversations in the break room -- and I'm a fucking school bus driver in a fucking very liberal school district (Harris signs outnumbered trump signs by about 30:1 last year). They just use the word "native" instead of a worse n-word, although I had one coworker who used the worse n-word repeatedly. Another guy uses the g-word whenever somebody mentions that they like Chinese food. I enjoy watching his head melt when I say I'm going to get Korean or Ethiopian food. I almost got him to try Liberian food until he found out where Liberia is lol.

On the plus side, these are all older people in their 60s or 70s. The kids themselves are far more egalitarian. I also grew up in the '80s and although us kids were not really overtly racist, you still had kids segregating themselves racially as far as social groupings were concerned. Today I see lots of groups of mixed kids.

[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Wait, what's the "g word"?

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

As the Discworld Librarian would say, "ook".

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And NEVER call him a monkey!

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[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)
[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah I had completely forgotten that one. I've only ever seen it in old books.

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[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Jesus dude, I live in a smallish Southern town and I can't remember the last time I heard a slur in public or private.

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[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I'd generally agree, but say that for folks who still feel a need to get their racism bone exercised they still do. racism is a lot quieter now. on an uptick, but still orders of magnitude better than the 80s and 90s, which had to have been orders of magnitude better than the 60s and 70s which I didn't experience. But there weren't folks getting hosed down by the fire department just for the gall of attending integrated schools in my decades growing up. We had apartheid bullshit.

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[–] lectricleopard@lemmy.world 63 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Wow. Read a god damn book. How could anyone ask the question, and not immediately slap themselves in the forehead? Slavery? Jim Crow? MLK? Rosa Parks? You've heard of none of these?

This must be what Christian right home schooling produces.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 39 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Or just public school in the south.

[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I'm from Texas and work in public education. Can someone read your comment to me so I can decide if I should be offended?

[–] adminofoz@lemmy.cafe 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

He said DOWN YONDER YA AIN'T GETTIN A LICK SENSE OUTTA DEM DERE SCHOOLIN BOOKS

[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

DAGNABBIT! NOW I'M ANGRY!

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Jesus book says no

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago
[–] einlander@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago
[–] thefluffiest@feddit.nl 33 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Hitler based his treatment of German Jews as lesser people in the ‘30s on the way the US treated its black population. That’s why he thought he’d get away with it. After all, the Americans got away with it.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Did they though? 1860s was slavery, and there was a huge war. Bloodiest war still to this day in American history. With the end result being that slavery ended.

Now, you can say racism didn't end after that, and you'd be right. Racism never ended to this day. But on the scale of atrocities, racism, then slavery, then mass extermination camps.

So, if the extermination camps are farther down the line than slavery, and America DID NOT get away with slavery, then your logic does not hold up.

I'm not defending any of what happened. I'm just saying if Hitler looked at an already failed policy, then he couldn't possibly use it as justification with what he did.

A far better line of logic is saying he used Americas killing of Native Americans as the blueprint for his camps. Which he absolutely did, and which America absolutely did get away with. Still to this day Native American population numbers just might be the lowest of all the races, simply because of how very very close to total extermination they came 200 years ago.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

there was a huge war. Bloodiest war still to this day in American history

That the slave states started in order to force other states to allow slavery. And only the bloodiest American war on American soil. The US military has killed a lot more people in subsequent wars.

With the end result being that slavery ended.

Only chattel slavery. While unquestionably less horrible, penal slavery was explicitly allowed by the 13th amendment and is practiced to this day.

There's significantly more people legally enslaved in the US today than there was before chattel slavery was abolished.

Now, you can say racism didn't end after that

If you want to go for the understatement of the year award, yes, you could do that.

But on the scale of atrocities, racism, then slavery, then mass extermination camps.

As I explained above, slavery is still a thriving industry, more so now than ever.

As for extermination camps, it's just a matter of time now that the fascists have taken over and started building the first concentration camps.

America DID NOT get away with slavery

America IS getting away with slavery.

your logic does not hold up

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I'm just saying if Hitler looked at an already failed policy

He didn't. The Jim Crow laws that inspired him were EXTREMELY successful at oppressing and marginalizing black people and continued to be so until long after Hitler's defeat and death.

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[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 weeks ago

By most accounts, Hitler wasn't planning the extermination of the Jews in the '30s though. Everything that occurred to them in that era, happened to Black Americans in the South during the same timeframe.

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

geez, the way people talk about the US you'd think they did genocide, chattel slavery, concentration camps, apartheid, lynchings and mass incarceration of certain groups of people. fortunately the country was always harmonious until this one guy got elected despite everyone being not bigoted at all. twice. just a little glitch in the matrix.

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

If we just go back to when all the cars were lead fueled boats and one hard working man* could support a whole household by working a fairly paid job…then it’ll all be great again

*terms conditional upon skin color and ethnicity of surname of said man. Anyone black queer or other need not apply

GREAT!

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[–] cabillaud@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

Fuck the LAPD.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I have a list of white supremacist cops in California I'm working on. There's a LOT.

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LASD_deputy_gangs

At least 18 separate gangs in the sheriffs alone. Just list the ones who aren’t and you’ll be done wayyyy faster

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[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Y’all tried to genocide my people, you’ve always been monsters

[–] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 weeks ago

There is basically no way to determine your nationality from this comment and I hate that.

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[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

America was founded because some “philosopher” slaver farmers got pissy when the King refused to overrule the elected Parliament and allow them to genocide the natives for their land. This they called “tyranny”. They haven’t learned any better in the ensuing centuries.

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[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

I'd say that the underlying hate has actually gone down slightly over time (which I will explain in the next paragraph), but that what Trump has done is allowed people to be very open about their existing bigotry.

The reason I feel comfortable saying that the hate has decreased is that, for example, we tore down quite a few confederate monuments recently, and honestly, it wasn't all that long ago that the monuments were erected, long after the Civil War ended. Many of those monuments were erected in the mid to late 1900s as a way of saying "fuck you" to minorities while pretending it was about heritage.

I actually think that Hollywood and the TV industry helped quite a bit with their focus on including people of many races in the media we consume. I seem to recall that there were studies that showed children who grew up watching various races interacting normally on television tended to be less racist.

[–] livejamie@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 weeks ago

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

But that was all okay because the guy had committed some crime.

At least that was the narrative I recall.from back in that day. Was fox News a thing already? I think so, because it was all "Everyone is poor Rodney, but they completely forget he was a criminal!!!"

So what? Maybe he was, and that excuses that police Beat the stuffing out of him?

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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Don't forget all the online comments (after more recent stuff like Floyd) about how "he was probably a drug addict or a criminal and that he deserved it for resisting the cops"

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