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...In Geekbench 6.5 single-core, the X2 Elite Extreme posts a score of 4,080, edging out Apple’s M4 (3,872) and leaving AMD’s Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 (2,881) and Intel’s Core Ultra 9 288V (2,919) far behind...

...The multi-core story is even more dramatic. With a Geekbench 6.5 multi-core score of 23,491, the X2 Elite Extreme nearly doubles the Intel Core Ultra 9 185H (11,386) and comfortably outpaces Apple’s M4 (15,146) and AMD’s Ryzen AI 9 370 (15,443)...

...This isn’t just a speed play — Qualcomm is betting that its ARM-based design can deliver desktop-class performance at mobile-class power draw, enabling thin, fanless designs or ultra-light laptops with battery life measured in days, not hours.

One of the more intriguing aspects of the Snapdragon X2 Elite Extreme is its memory‑in‑package design, a departure from the off‑package RAM used in other X2 Elite variants. Qualcomm is using a System‑in‑Package (SiP) approach here, integrating the RAM directly alongside the CPU, GPU, and NPU on the same substrate.

This proximity slashes latency and boosts bandwidth — up to 228 GB/s compared to 152 GB/s on the off‑package models — while also enabling a unified memory architecture similar in concept to Apple’s M‑series chips, where CPU and GPU share the same pool for faster, more efficient data access...

... the company notes the "first half" of 2026 for the new Snapdragon X2 Elite and Snapdragon X2 Elite Extreme...

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[–] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 203 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Keep in mind the original X Elite benchmarks were never replicated in real world devices (not even close).

They used a desktop style device (with intense cooling that is not possible with laptops) and "developed solely for benchmarking" version of Linux (to this day X Elite runs like shit in Linux).

This is almost certainly a premeditated attempt at "legal false advertising".

Mark my words, you'll never see 4,000 points in GB6 ST on any real products.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 68 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

They also used the base M4, not M4 Pro or Max

[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 38 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Seems like they're also using two different Intel chips in their testing for some reason.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 25 points 1 week ago

I'll take cherrypicking for $500, Alex

[–] Ugurcan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 week ago

lol that’s just the cherry on the whole apple pie.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

Now this all makes sense

[–] Zak@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I imagine things would be much closer if they put a giant heatsink that Ryzen 370 they're comparing and ran it at its 54W configurable TDP instead of the default 28W.

[–] pycorax@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago

Shouldn't they also be comparing it to Strix Halo instead?

[–] tal@olio.cafe 12 points 1 week ago

Ah. Thanks for the context.

Well, after they have product out, third parties will benchmark them, and we'll see how they actually stack up.

[–] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 7 points 1 week ago

I saw someone liquid cool an Arduino to push it to the max, but you couldn't declare it to be a regular benchmark...

[–] itztalal@lemmings.world 5 points 1 week ago

desktop-class performance at mobile-class power draw

This made my bullshit detector go haywire.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 73 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Snapdragon X2 Elite Extreme

That doesn't sound very high end, I think I'll wait for the Pro version, preferably Pro Plus.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club 30 points 1 week ago (2 children)

BadDragon X2 Elite Extreme MAGNUM

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It sounds like an advertisement for a condom or dildo

[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 7 points 1 week ago

Don't you want to put on some of this thermal paste?

Where this is going, baby, you don't need no thermal paste!

faints on floor

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 week ago

Elite Extreme

Sounds like it focuses more on shiny RGB than performance.

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[–] a_fancy_kiwi@lemmy.world 68 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Let me know when these X elite chips have full Linux compatibility and then I’ll be interested. Until then, I’ll stick with Mac, it has the better hardware.

[–] clucose@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Friendly Question: has M4 full linux support?

[–] Toes@ani.social 27 points 1 week ago

No, neither does M3. You can read more about this project here: https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/feature-support/m4/ Even M2 and M1 support is still being worked on.

[–] a_fancy_kiwi@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

I think I see what you’re saying. My gripe is that if I want a laptop/tablet with a great ARM chip, with long battery life, my options all force me to use one of two operating systems that I’d prefer not to use for ideological reasons. If I’m forced to use one, because I want an ARM device, I might as well use the one that has the best hardware. M5s are right around the corner and the MacBook Airs are really competitive.

If I misinterpreted your question, then no, as far as I’m aware, none of the M series has FULL support. The M1s and M2s are pretty close though.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Not who you asked, but at bare minimum macOS continues to be certified UNIX.

[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] __siru__@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Absolutely ture, your comment being? I think they were simply referencing the fact that there is a lot more software out there that can be made to semi easily run on linux/unix based systems.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Also while Linux is not the same as UNIX, interacting with them is much more similar than, say, interacting with Windows. They use a lot of the same conventions and managing macOS can be a lot like managing Linux if you want it to be.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Also while Linux is not the same as UNIX, interacting with them is much more similar than, say, interacting with Windows.

If you use only GUI, the underlying system philosophy is practically irrelevant.

If you use CLI, you can literally use the same distribution within WSL as you use on a Linux computer. I like using openSUSE's zypper in WSL more than I like brew on macOS.

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[–] silasmariner@programming.dev 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

As long as you don't try to use sed or grep. Literally the only reason I learned perl was because of the flag incompatibilities between macos Unix and Linux utils.

[–] galaxy_nova@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah true, but if you use macOS expecting Linux that doesn’t make any sense. Then it’d just be Linux with a different DE lol. Hopefully doesn’t come across as snarky but pointing these differences out always seems rather pointless to me, they do exist but I mean yeah it’s not the same os.

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[–] barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

M1 still doesn't have full Linux support, unfortunately. They've done a lot of good work, but it isn't there yet. Yet, another reason not to buy snapdragon PCs yet.

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[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 52 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I'm going to call semi-bullshit here, or there is a major revisionist version or catch. If this were true, they'd be STUPID to not be working fast as hell to get full, unlocked Linux support upstreamed and start selling this as a datacenter competitor to what Amazon, Microsoft, and Amazon are offering, because it would be an entirely new class of performance. It could also dig into Nvidia and AMDs datacenter sales at scale if this efficient.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They put desktop cooling on the testbench apparently.

They’re also comparing to only the base M4 chip, not the Pro.

Also the M5 could still come out this year. But it also might not so it’s still a fair comparison till then.

Anyway if you’re looking for a Windows laptop specifically and don’t need anything that doesn’t run on ARM, it might be pretty damn good. I’d still wait for independent benchmarks.

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[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 43 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah I'll wait for independent benchmarks, thanks.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 18 points 1 week ago

With actual devices

[–] artyom@piefed.social 32 points 1 week ago

This will be super cool when we actually have OSs that can run on them!

[–] malwieder@feddit.org 17 points 1 week ago

X2 "Elite Extreme" probably in ideal conditions vs. the base M4 chip in a real-world device. Sure, nice single core results but Apple will likely counter with the M5 (the A19 Pro already reaches around 4,000 and the M chips can probably clock a bit higher). And the M4 Pro and Max already score as high or higher in multi-core. Real world in a 14 inch laptop.

It doesn't "crush" the M4 series at all and we'll see how it'll perform in a comparable power/thermal envelope.

I don't hate what Qualcomm is doing here, but these chips only work properly under Windows and the Windows app ecosystem still hasn't embraced ARM all that much, and from what I've heard Windows' x64 to ARM translation layer is not as good as Rosetta 2. Linux support is pretty horrible, especially at launch.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

The X1 Elite never lived up to its geekbench scores, and the drivers are absolute dogshit.

The X2 Elite wont match Apple or AMD in real world scenarios either, I'd wager.

[–] YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 week ago

Windows 11 will turn this into a 486.

[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

I am simple person. I see geekbench, I ignore claims and rest of article.

[–] verdi@feddit.org 10 points 1 week ago

*X Elite opens browser windows faster under desktop cooling.

FTFY

[–] commander@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

How's the GPU drivers though? Especially to me for Linux. These should be used in PC gaming handhelds but Qualcomm support is mediocre

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

linux on arm is not mature. on windows, typically emulation of x86 is used. They'll need to also support all of the gpu libraries for gaming.

[–] vaionko@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Desktop linux on arm*. The kernel itself has been running on embedded arm deviced for 25 years and on a large portion of phones for 15.

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[–] KiwiTB@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

I highly doubt this is accurate. Be nice, but doubt it.

[–] fittedsyllabi@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Then Apple releases M5.

[–] itztalal@lemmings.world 4 points 1 week ago

desktop-class performance at mobile-class power draw

checks source

windowcentral.com

Nothing to see here, folks.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

And here I am with my cheap old quad core doing my stuff.

Except for the theoretical interest, what are we supposed to do with stuff like that? Is it just more data centers? Does I sound like 640KB is enough?

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[–] flemtone@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

When the Snapdragon GPU performance is on par with AMD's 780m or above then we can talk.

Oh no, each new chip is going to be tree at something than another chip and vice versa. Anyways, what did people have for lunch?

[–] VeloRama@feddit.org 3 points 1 week ago

Can't wait for Linux to support it and Tuxedo creating a laptop with it.

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