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Trump has rejected the EU's "zero-for-zero" tariff offer on cars and industrial goods, demanding instead that the bloc commit to purchasing $350 billion of American energy to offset the trade deficit.

Following his implementation of 20% tariffs on EU goods last week, which triggered significant market downturns, Trump indicated openness to negotiations while emphasizing his "America First" stance.

He also criticized EU product standards as "non-monetary barriers" designed to block American exports.

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[–] Bosht@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

This fucking moron. So he shuts down green energy initiatives here, tries to push oil, then tries to force other countries to buy dirty energy. Fucks sake man it's something new every day.

[–] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

And if the EU needed any further incentive to keep rushing for renewable energy, here it is.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 days ago

That's like walking past a McDonald's and having the manager grab you and drag you inside the store and force you to buy some McNuggets. I am scared that Trump is not an idiot and knows exactly what he wants to achieve. It starts with "I'll show them...".

[–] BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 202 points 1 week ago (4 children)

This is just Mafia like extortion. It doesnt really matter now if/when these tariffs are undone - Trump has totally destroyed the US reputation as a reliable ally and trade partmer.

No deal with the US is worth the paper its written on, as everything is dependent on the whims of one person.

Presidential systems are sources of weakness and instabilty it seems. They're no better than monarchs, and the whole system can easily be twisted into dictatorship. Look at Russia and now the US.

[–] LoveSausage@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 6 days ago

It's a classical pol sci example for how to do or not do things. Emerging democracy's that adapts presidential systems are far easier to go back to a dictatorship than a semi presidential or parliamentary system is. So all US advisors in south America pushed for presidential systems.

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[–] Cryan24@lemmy.world 129 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

The EU are currently trying the carrot (offering zero for zero), Next comes the stick (targeted import and export tarrifs).. it would hurt the EU, but cripple the US.

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 86 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Just tariff cloud stocks, watch everything crumble.

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 66 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Coordinate with China on this shit. The EU and China may have their differences, but they have a common goal here and together they substantially outweigh the US

[–] Cryan24@lemmy.world 48 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think there is a possibility for an EU, China, Canada plus others.. agreement to smooth over the gap from loss of US trade.

[–] TheRealLinga@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Maybe we are going to see a unification of the world over this! Everyone rallies together to fight the U.S. tariffs, and then there's no more U.S.! World peace at last. Thanks Trump!

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[–] AwkwardBroccolli@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

EU should target the services. US exports services like google, meta etc than goods. If that happens, US goes to depression.

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[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't live anywhere in the northern hemisphere and I can't say I know much about economy and international affairs. Which targeted tariffs you think the EU will impose that will cripple US?

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 38 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (32 children)

Either tariff all big tech companies or just outright ban them from being allowed in the public sector. If you ban amazon, microsoft, google, meta, etc then the US economy will be in shambles. Big techs revenue is like ~10% of the total US GDP.

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[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 75 points 1 week ago (3 children)

They should say "okay but only green energy, no oil or gas"

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Please send solar panels Sincerely,

-Europe

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[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 71 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sounds like there won't be any good faith negotiations with the US.

This sounds like BS, does the US even have enough capxitt or export $350 billion worth of energy (oil, LNG?).

[–] PetteriPano@lemmy.world 57 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Even I can sell $350B worth of energy if I increase the price enough.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago

That is one expensive AAA battery.

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[–] Zier@fedia.io 66 points 1 week ago (3 children)

But he said the tariffs were permanent. This was not a 'negotiating' tactic. Oh wait, he fucking lied, like he does every time he breathes. This is the "art of the deal", AKA the bad deal. What an idiot bully con man. President Felon.

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 18 points 1 week ago

They basically are permanent if his alternative is the EU buying the entire GDP of Finland in extra LNG every year

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[–] yagurlreese@lemmy.world 50 points 1 week ago (5 children)

oh my good lord he's and actual toddler

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[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago

Just say no EU. The more he hears the word the more it will drive home how wrong he is. Of course his type is incapable of admitting that they are wrong.

[–] Litebit@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

They don't need $350B of US energy. why not sell something they need instead for forcing your customer to eat "McDonald's" when they don't need or want to.

Might as well force penguins to buy ice cube and snow made in US.

[–] BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Also they dont "owe" the US anything. Trump has a cretinous understanding of economics.

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[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

If they needed it, they'd have bought it. The whole point with all this is, to have the rest of the world buy stuff from the US, that they don't neen or already buy from other places because it makes more sense. There is no logic - it is straight up blackmail

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He also criticized EU product standards as “non-monetary barriers” designed to block American exports.

lol, lmfao even

product standards exist for a reason.

[–] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 37 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Wait, wait, wait.

Trump, under the direction of parties unknown, is trying to force the EU to buy U.S. energy resources, and that’s the linchpin of his trade war with them?

Is he trying to give Europe a nudge back to Russian oil supplies?

[–] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 20 points 1 week ago (4 children)

If you’re a (western) European leader returning to Russian energy is at best shortsighted amnesia, at worst blatant malfeasance. There’s several reasons to not go back to Russia:

  • Official legal based sanctions on Russian energy
  • Ukrainian drone based ‘sanctions’ on Russian energy
  • Russia’s track record of energy blackmail/hybrid warfare
  • LNG and oil production available in your EEZ/the EU, albeit at higher cost than imported
  • Domestic solar, hydro, and wind manufacturing/generation is ramping up
  • French nuclear energy exports
  • Domestic politics ie. voters turning against Russian imperial aggression/expansionism

Eastern Europe has a slightly different incentive mix, but there’s still a lot of reasons to not

[–] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Those are very well considered points, but Trump is an idiot.

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[–] Routhinator@startrek.website 15 points 1 week ago

Or y'know, give Canada somewhere else to sell theirs.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago

how about no, fuckface

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I really hope that EU will remain strong and not fall for any of this BS!

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[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 week ago

Amerikkka can fuck off.

[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ah, so now they are begging for money. Hard no, pass, skip, forget it, we're good thanks.

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[–] ProfHillbilly@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

Fuck Trump. Buy nothing from us. Tell yur leaders fuck not and burn down the country if they do.

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

Ues, becoming energy dependent on this belligerent administration sounds like a great idea

[–] BlackSheep@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 week ago

FUCK YOU TRUMP

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

He says a lot of shit that doesn't make any sense.

Seriously, he's demented.

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[–] axh@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Ok, let's negotiate. How about this: I'll buy one Big Mac, and in return US will buy 3000 Volkswagens, 1500 Mercedes(es?!?) and at least 3 French or Italian cars...

That way the US ends up with good cars, and I am willing to risk my own health in order to improve the relations.

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[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago

Pass. I hear China has a lot of spare renewable stuff on discount now that you're no longer going to be trading with them, we'll enjoy those instead.

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