“When you attack an opponent's part of the national survival system, which is their triad, their nuclear triad — that means your risk level goes up because you don't know what the other is going to do … It's a very emboldened act. And when you do that, it’s very clear that the risk levels will go up. That is what we try to avoid,” Kellogg said

Is Kellogg working part time for Kremlin? It's the same good old "don't provoke Russia by defending yourself, let them have whatever they want".

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 54 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The "Spider Web" drone operation stunned the world with its audacity, with some keen watchers praising Ukraine for rewriting the rules of modern warfare. And others, like U.S. Special Envoy on Ukraine Keith Kellogg, expressing concern about the tactics.

“When you attack an opponent's part of the national survival system, which is their triad, their nuclear triad — that means your risk level goes up because you don't know what the other is going to do … It's a very emboldened act. And when you do that, it’s very clear that the risk levels will go up. That is what we try to avoid,” Kellogg told Fox News on Tuesday.

Fuck this worthless toady of putin’s tool. Kick ass, Ukraine!

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The thing to remember is that the united states doesn't want a Ukraine victory. Especially now, but even during Bidens time. The USA during Bidens time just wanted russias resources depleted. The USA under trump just wants russia to win, but they can't outright say that.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't know which USA you're in, but over here we're all about a Ukraine victory and a stop to the war. Of course, MAGAts are dead confused because the Murdochian/Qanut sludge in their brain is messing with their heart. Those that aren't smart enough to try and be on the grifting side of the corrupt demented rapist regime, that is.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm not talking about the citizens. I'm talking about government. Biden gave Ukraine weapons, and said "Here ya go. Just enough to keep you in the war, but you're not allowed to use them on offense. Only defense of your own country. But we don't want the war to END!"

And trump straight up wants Ukraine to lose.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes the decision to prevent them from striking deep in russian territory was too long to be changed.

In the first few months of the war, it made sense. Look if you want to go to war with russia, just do it. It's probably not a terrific idea for some parts of the country though.

And 66.9 billion - if that's "enough to keep you in the war" how much is that going to cost us when we go in full-time? And that's not to mention the nukes which of course will now be front and center because the FEAR party is running things now.

And who the fuck said they didn't want the war to end? I'm not buying that at all.

Yes, trump is a puppet of russia, and a demented rapist, and a fool. No argument there.

[–] smokeysnilas@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago

Believe it or not, relative to the US economy the 66.9 billion is not much. But it's not actually about the money, a lot of that already was spent a long time ago on military hardware so the expense was already made. It's about whether you let Ukraine use these tools or decomission them inside the US, because that's whats happening with a lot of kit like Bradleys or Atacms. There's zero financial reason to not give those (except maybe for transportation cost).

[–] voracitude@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago

What's he gonna do, start a war of aggression and invade?

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 11 points 2 days ago

It’s hilarious that the new US regime think they’re bringing back a “warrior culture” but their words are quisling.

[–] BagOfHeavyStones@piefed.social 5 points 2 days ago

A couple of those drones were near the edge of their battery capacity. Interesting stats.

[–] Rose@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 days ago

Incredible how they got to take their time to (presumably) target the areas that would deal the most damage.

[–] recursivepickle@piefed.social 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Would anyone know what the tyres are doing on top of those planes in the footage?

[–] simulacra_procession@lemmy.today 16 points 2 days ago

Coping

[–] colonelp4nic@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

The idea is to disrupt the visual (and possibly thermal) signature to make automated targeting less effective

[–] Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Another article I saw said that they are there for 'protection'. Not sure how effective they would be.

[–] cotlovan@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

This stems from the times when Ukraine used Drones to drop shells/grenades on the planes close to the contact line. The tires are for the planes are what the cope cages were for armored vehicles.

[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It’s supposed to make it more difficult for autonomous targeting systems to recognize the aircraft:

https://www.twz.com/air/russia-covering-its-aircraft-in-tires-is-about-befuddling-image-matching-seekers-u-s-military-confirms

[–] Captainvaqina@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago

Worked real well.

[–] Hanrahan@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

I thought it was a ghetto way of hoping a dropped grenade from a drone might bounce off.

[–] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

I kept hoping to see one of the drones fly up an air intake. Perhaps not the best way to damage an aircraft, but goddamn it would be epic to see one blow up from the inside. Sadly, the air intakes are probably also covered while on the ground.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

most likely using palintir.