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A lot of people at my work, especially managerment, are very pro AI. I've haven't openly shared my opinion of AI/the fact that I don't use it, because the hype around AI seems almost cult like at my work. It was months before anyone brought up hallunications.

Part of me wants to share my reasons against AI at work. Some possible reasons I'm thinking of sharing are cooking the planet, you don't know when it is hallucinating so how do you trust it, critical thinking rot.

Any advice on discussing the negatives of AI at work? Or should I just keep my head down and let sloppers slop?

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[–] AnarchistArtificer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Ed Zitron's newsletter has some incredibly useful resources to reference. (I would link it, but I am sleepy at the moment, I apologise).

My opinion is that unless you feel like it's putting your career at risk, it's worthwhile to discuss the negatives of AI. When people who aren't very techy are surrounded by people bigging up AI and there's no-one dissenting, it's quite common that they will assume that this is just something that's too complex for them to understand, so some people are sort of conditioned to believe that AI must be magic, even if their own personal experience or intuition tells them that it's bullshit.

I also believe that anti-AI takes will age like wine; even though there are some legitimately awesome uses of this tech, overwhelmingly, the majority of the shit that's being pushed is dumb as hell. AI can be a useful tool in certain cases, but not in the way it's being rolled out. Instead of empowering humans, it's just making more slop and hallucinations to wade through. I'm reminded now of a good post from Cory Doctorow that discusses AI and "reverse centaurs". I can't explain it better than him, but you could probably find it easy by searching, if you're interested.

[–] jdrm@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 8 hours ago

Sorry for my english, I'm not as good as I wish talking on it.

I'm in a similar scenario. The tech leader of the group I'm working on it is a pro-AI. He use it everyday for all. He didn't search on internet, just ask to various AIs for answers. Today, in a daily, has talk to me not to ask to the development team for questions about compilation errors in their code (I'm a QA engineer) before to ask to an AI. He has finished hes speech with: "Another who use AI will come and do your job sooner".

It's so frustrating....

[–] Twanquility 14 points 10 hours ago

Would you use a calculator, that sometimes, confidently without itself knowing when, provides a wrong answer, even if it's only 0,1% of the time?

[–] DarkSpectrum@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

Consider placing an A4 sized page of general info in the lunchroom. No one will pick it up but many will read it. Replace it occasionally with a new design that isn't AI generated.

To start a discussion, perhaps try from a personnal perspective which can be an honest story of transition from ignorance to understanding. The awareness of these issues is coming to the collective concious light, albeit gradually, and we are all learning the impacts as they're occurring.

"AI is an awesome tool but I had no idea it caused so much pollution. I watched a story about X's platform and their Grok AI centre in Memphis. Its causing so much harm to the people and the local environment, I had no idea! I was shocked and sadened to see these peoole suffering. We might need to start thinking about responsible use of AI to limit the human and environmental impact, especially if that's what our planet needs right now."

[–] SpookyMulder@twun.io 18 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

As someone who was recently fired for, among other things, being a stick in the mud about AI, I have some thoughts.

Try not to take work too seriously.

I drew a picture of Carl from Aqua Teen Hunger Force saying, "It don't matter. None of this matters." and put that by my monitor in my office. Whenever I started to feel activated about some bullshit, I just glanced over at Carl. It calmed me down to be reminded that my real job is to simply not lose the job.

It's a very bad time to be unemployed and anti-AI right now. Just tread lightly, ride out the storm, and let the inevitable reckoning eventually come to pass.

[–] nfreak@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 hours ago

This is the answer tbh. I work for a paycheck. I'll do what I'm hired to do, and when I log off for the day, I don't even think about it. It's frankly just not worth making a fuss over something the company is all-in on if doing so would risk one's livelihood.

My company's going into this direction too. When I was asked if I've tried an internal AI tool, I just said "it makes too many errors and it's more time-consuming to fix its mistakes so I don't use it". Without a union it's just not worth risking job security to go off any more than that about how much the tech absolutely fucking sucks.

[–] Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Draw comparisons with trade secrets. "If it was profitable, AI companies would be hoarding it jealously, not trying to sell it" is a good argument I've used before.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Also, that it's not intelligent at all. It just repeats what it has garbled together from a shit load of humans...which are prone to error.

OP, go with the error and money loser, don't bring up the planet. People don't think "planet killer", and will just glaze their eyes over.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 21 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Oh, I'm a master at this. It's called malicious complience.

Do all the work your boss wants. Use the AI that they want. And......thats it.

The key here is NOT to correct any error it gives.

You did what your boss said. Let your boss deal with what he said.

Then as all these problems come back, you WANT it to cause chaos. You WANT him to lose money.

"I did exactly what you told me to do. These are the results."

[–] PoisonedPrisonPanda@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

no. your boss does not want you to use AI as the holy grail. He ask you to utilize it for you to support you on your task. I know Im on thin ice here at this place. But AI is simply a tool. a specialized tool which results can very.

if you simply push a screw with a hammer because your boss told you to use a hammer. youre still the idiot. you are the expert. with domain know how. the boss thinks in a bigger picture and does not know the details. one has to sort those things out.

[–] cerement@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 hours ago

He ask you to utilize it for you to support you on your task.

⭐ your boss is not your friend ⭐ – he’s having you train the AI to do your job so he can replace you

[–] ZDL@lazysoci.al 1 points 6 hours ago

It is a tool like a double-clawed hammer with the claws pointing upward, not toward the hammer.

[–] arschflugkoerper@feddit.org 7 points 10 hours ago

Ah yes, I too want my employer to think I‘m an idiot.

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I had mandatory training on how to use the company’s sandboxed chatgpt. I asked a question which was how to justify the waste of money in it recommending products in our catalog that had confidently and blatantly wrong specs. I did not get an answer

[–] ZDL@lazysoci.al 53 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

Part of me wants to share my reasons against AI at work. Some possible reasons I'm thinking of sharing are cooking the planet, you don't know when it is hallucinating so how do you trust it, critical thinking rot.

No boss is going to be persuaded by "cooking the planet". Nor do they care about critical thinking rot.

But the hallucinations? That they'll care about.

Pick something non work-related that your boss is an expert in. Engage the AI in that something until it generates a whole bunch of hallucinations. (My favourite thing is to have an AI hallucinate bands that don't exist, albums that don't exist, songs that don't exist, lyrics that don't exist, etc.: All of which is trivial to verify and prove wrong.)

Here. I just generated this conversation in Deepseek for you to show you how easy it is to get an AI to hallucinate. I just asked a question about an almost completely non-existent concept ("inukpunk") and got it bloviating a bunch of idiocy before catching it with the fact that what it claims is a thriving literary movement doesn't actually exist.

Note: I just asked it a three-word question and it created from whole cloth a breathtaking amount of text on a subject that doesn't exist.

[–] Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Ngl, inukpunk sounds pretty badass and I'd be thrilled if this was less hallucination and more inadvertent prescience.

Your point still stands though.

[–] ZDL@lazysoci.al 4 points 6 hours ago

Oh, I really want inukpunk to become a real thing. Specifically I use it mentally to describe Tanya Tagaq's music and attitude, but as a literary form it would kick ass on ice too.

[–] ech@lemmy.ca 15 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

That's because "hallucinating" isn't a bug, it's the core feature of llms. That tech bros have figured out how kludge on a way to get it to sometimes recite accessible data doesn't change the fact that the central purpose for these algorithms is to manufacture text from nothing (well, technically from random noise). The "hallucination" is the failure of the tech bros to hide that function.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 5 points 12 hours ago

It's not an add-on feature. The LLM produces something with the best score it can. Things that increase the score:

  • Things appropriate to the tokens in the request
  • Things which look like what it's been trained on.

So that includes:

  • Relevant facts
  • grammatically correct language
  • friendly style of writing
  • etc

If it has no relevant facts then it will maximise the others to get a good score. Hence you get confidently wrong statements because sounding like it knows what it's talking about scores higher than actually giving correct information.

This process is inherent to machine learning at its current level though. It's like a "fake it until you make it" person, who will never admit they're wrong.

[–] synapse1278@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago

It's insufferable how my company is shoving AI everywhere! We are expected to all embrace AI and let it help us to do our jobs better and more efficiently. But it objectively sucks ! Isn't only somewhat good at things that are either useless or already have trivial solutions, and a complete waste of time for anything I could reasonably use some help with automation.

Now, the training materials are presented by AI hosts, the posters are AI slop, every corporate communications is about how great is AI. Even a colleague retired last week after working some 40 years or so for the company and he got an AI song 😵

I am open to my boss, I tell him it's a waste of my time and that it looks like a good deal today when the service is given at a loss by companies that are still in phase 1 of enshitification, that once it moves to the next stage, we will be on the losing end of the deal. I work for an industrial company, this isn't going to play out nice for us for sure.

[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 21 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Make a point of mentioning all the mistakes it makes, and the time you spend unfucking them.

[–] ZDL@lazysoci.al 16 points 17 hours ago

My boss was quickly convinced against AI when he tried to introduce it into our workflow by sitting down with a user to "guide" their use of AI to "help" their work and then seeing how, even with his "guidance" it was almost impossible to get something useful out of it. When he was tinkering with it to see if it was plausible, he didn't account for the time spent correcting the never-ending stream of errors (assuming it was part of the learning curve) but once seeing it in use he realized how not only did it add little to the abilities of the workers, it actively detracted from their productivity.

So provide something similar. Record a session with your boss' AI of choice. Make a note of time and place of each failure. A count of corrections and how long it took to spot the mistake to correct it in the first place. Print this out, ideally with handwritten annotations of each error and time. Put that on his desk.

And keep doing that.

Time after time after time.

[–] spongebue@lemmy.world 11 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Things like this are really going to depend on the use. If it's crammed somewhere for the sake of cramming it, there are probably going to be some good opportunities to pick apart that particular plan, as opposed to AI in general.

On the other hand, my small company is looking into it for proposal writing (government contracting). There are some tools out there for that specific purpose, and as much as I loathe saying it, it can be a decent tool if used properly. Right now we can barely afford the proposal writer we have, and when a decent RFP comes out it's all hands on deck with all management diverting their attention for what amounts to a chance of business. If you treat the tool as a very fast junior-level proposal writer whose output you can review on the fly, especially for a lot of the boilerplate stuff, it can be legitimately useful.

That said, I'll also openly make comments about how I'm a curmudgeon for that kind of thing, or maybe say something about how it's basically your cell phone's text prediction thingy on steroids. Usually I say something about how the human element becomes an afterthought (example: generative AI producing content for SEO. One bot trying to please another under the guise of being for the humans). My AI-loving boss may disagree, but I'm otherwise good enough at my job (software development) that we're respectful about it to one another and he doesn't try to shove it down my throat. And even our lone proposal writer doesn't seem overly excited about it when I've talked with him (but willing to give it a try)

[–] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 3 points 14 hours ago

AI was designed by tech companies who became advertising companies whose profits derive from monetizing the ability to exploit us poor, psychologically weak and vulnerable humans with our brains so full of biologically hard-coded remote root exploits in order to change our behavior and make us want to do what earns them money. And that's exactly what they are using it for.

It makes perfect sense that it works amazingly well when used to write proposals to convince people to do hire you so that you will earn money, it is literally designed for that.

[–] ephrin@sh.itjust.works 9 points 16 hours ago

The last time they did a survey, about the most recent town hall, I wrote like 1600 words about it, citing about a dozen sources. Haven’t heard from anyone about it yet, so… ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 9 points 18 hours ago

I tell people to get fucked, but I'm self-employed. People are so easily manipulated, and when billions of dollars are being pumped into it from the largest companies on Earth, it's not too hard to brainwash people into thinking it's useful.

I remember in the early days of CGPT some guy on a podcast talking about how CGPT had already read this brand new book and CGPT had already summarized it for him. Putting aside how utterly useless that is, CGPT isn't trained on anything after 2021, and this dude not only didn't know what he was talking about, but was straight up lying.

[–] cerement@slrpnk.net 6 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)
  • ELIZA effect – 1966 to give you an idea how long this idea’s been around
  • “it’s all about the grift” – techbros lusting after their anime sex-slaves and bosses trying to fire every worker they can’t underpay or offshore
  • “just one more prompt bro” – psychological addition to a program designed to be obsequious, programmed to apologize profusely and lay on the praise thickly, one more pull on the slot machine coding prompt
  • “prompts are cheaper than therapy” – when your country blames mental health on moral failings instead of societal failings
  • “bullshit generators for bullshit jobs” – the job is meaningless, you know it’s meaningless, but you’re required to pretend it’s important – your boss is running his bullet points through a bullshit generator to email you an essay that you run through a bullshit generator to summarize as bullet points
[–] ItsComplicated@sh.itjust.works 6 points 18 hours ago

I usually tell people I have better ways of doing actual work that doesn’t require me to hand over every facet of my life.

[–] destructdisc@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago

Just be openly scornful of it and people who use it

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 4 points 18 hours ago

How easy would it be for you to find another job, and how much would you care if your workplace closed down?