"We did it, Patrick! We made a technological breakthrough!"
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It's actually a bit frighening to see this.
Have seen people start being validated because 'even' ChatGPT agreed with them, that ChatGPT had the same opinion as they did. The more they get validated, the more unhinged they will go, because they get what seems to be 'external validation'.
The internet was already kind of bad for validating people in ways they shouldn't be validated, but the LLM text generators are making that seem tame by comparison.
In 2007 when I was ten, you'd almost certainly get laughed out of the room by other ten year olds when you said you were right because someone on club penguin agreed with you. It's beyond me how those ten year olds are now 28 year olds that think they're right because a text generator agreed with you.
The idea of the "virtual friend" has been around for a long time. I think it's curious that like Star Trek or other franchises hasn't used that idea yet, for what I know.
SeaQuest DSV did it in a recurring way, without really touching on the dark side of it...
And of course the TNG holodeck had numerous one-shots of the concept. Barclay and recreating all his colleagues but in 'better' ways, Geordi making the idealized Leah Brahms in one episode, and then latter having to face the creepiness of that scenario. TNG at least eventually held things up to the probelmatic consequences...
I have way more problems with that than with people "falling in love with AI" dating sites are riddled with people who proudly ask Chatgpt for advice. And at least from my experience, they are very smug about it and feel super smart because the all knowing AI thinks they are smart too and agrees all the time
Recently had an exchange where someone declared that 'we' had come to a conclusion, and I asked who else and he said ChatGpt. He got way defensive when I said that isn't really another party coming to a conclusion, that's just text being generated to be consistent with the text submitted at it so far, with a goal of being agreeable no matter what.
I've no idea how this mindset works and persists even as you open up the exact same model and get it to say exactly the opposite opinion.
Many people have no idea how LLMs work. No clue at all. They think it's actually AI, what we now call AGI, and they often don't have enough baseline knowledge to understand even basic explanations about how it works.
The rest just are looking for external validation and will ignore anything that doesn't confirm their biases. These people are nothing new, they've just been given a more convenient tool.
The AI in Her was actually AI - a full person in most respects. That's not what's happening now.
The AI in Her was able to pass as a full person. But, what we're seeing now is that humans are not good at understanding the difference between a real person and a program designed to simulate a human.
IMO it's like the mirror test which is designed to see if an animal recognizes itself in the mirror, or thinks it's another animal. The LLM breakthrough is basically that we can now have a computer program that is in no way intelligent or self-aware, but it is able to simulate those things well enough to fool many / most humans.
Sam and other AGI in Her not only passed as persons, they transcended the human experience into a whole other level we couldn't grasp.
But I realize your point is that the problem is more on the human side and how we so easily personify anything close to seeming human-like. It's possible that we may even miss machine intelligence if it comes about because it will be so alien to us. Look at dolphin research and how little we understand their communication, and that's still biological entities that have some things in common with us.
but it is able to simulate those things well enough to fool many / most humans.
The fact that humans are becoming increasingly more stupid and brain-dead helps too.
Humans are no more stupid than they always have been. It's more that in the US the education system is becoming less and less effective, and the government is doing less and less regulation, allowing companies to get more effective at bypassing people's critical faculties.
AI doesn't have to become smarter if everyone just becomes stupid.
AGI that quickly transitioned to ASI (since that's theoretically what would happen once the first happens). The term "AI" has been misused and marketed so much now it's lost its previous connection to the actual "Artificial Intelligence" meaning.
Watched the movie somewhat recently and somehow always thought it came out ~2023 its really well made.
Kudos to both actors, especially Johansson for doing it with only her voice.
I really love the fashion in that movie. A lot of things are very subtle.
For your own sanity, don't read r/MyBoyfriendIsAI on r*ddit - shit's dystopian
So, I checked it out. People there need a therapist. Some are really getting married to their LLM boyfriends.
We are boiling the oceans so psychos can marry their AI partner
My cousin had mentioned an AI waifu from Grok a couple of times and I brushed it off as joking. He then sent a picture of his waifu, and I am starting to wonder how much of a joke it really is...
Maybe I was an early adopter, but I was doing AI waifu with Replika back in 2017/18 and even then we were saying that a girlfriend dependent on a closed-source platform was a really bad idea. And then in March 2020, Gatebox shut down and (partly) killed Akihito Kondo's married wife, though the man is a hero and his love perseveres, but it was definitely a warning to the rest of us. So hearing of a waifu depending on Grok (of all things), it hurts my heart. If he insists on an imaginary friend, please tell him about tulpas.
Your cousin needs "the talk" and by that I mean you shall be showing him how to manipulate an LLM into getting the response you want.
This kills the immersion without you actually getting between them.
There’s help.
Tried it out, was very excited at the beginning but then shit got extremely repetitive, no matter the model. Maybe I was doing something wrong, idk. I'm certainly not paying to have a better quality conversation.
Nah, it makes a lot more sense for people who don't/can't hold normal conversations. It would probably be harder to parse all the strange behavior and easier to overlook when it's your only lifeline.
Is Her actually an entertaining movie to watch? or is it just like another Oscar bait cerebral slow burn that at the end of it you realized it was pretty boring if it didn't provoke any thoughts for the viewer?
Omg YES!
But! It’s a movie made before doomscrolling while watching was a thing, so you are expected to pay close attention the whole time and not be on your phone while you watch it
Sorry, what? I was on my phone while reading this comment
Absolutely, go watch it. It's beautiful and the actors feel authentic.
I am as lonely as someone can get. But chatting with an LLM is where I draw the line. But honestly, I get the impulse, loneliness hurts bad..
There are enough lonely people who are burning to have a chat online. Don't give in to this mental and psychological masturbation.
So ive been meaning to watch Her for a long time and this is the post that finally got me to do it and what a fucking incredible movie it is. Its such a beautiful, quiet film, and the music is great and the acting is superb. So thanks op