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After a period when President Trump seemed to be more inclined to the Ukrainian side, he now seems to be taking the side of Russia again. On board his plane the Air Force One he told reporters that Ukraine and Russia should stop fighting and that he wants to leave the situation in the largely Russia-occupied Donbas as he is.

And the British newspaper the Financial Times (FT) writes that the meeting between Trump and Zelensky at the White House went dramatically Friday. Trump is said to have urged Zelensky to accept the Russian conditions for ending the war and to give up the Donbas to Russia.

Based on sources, the newspaper reports that Trump warned that Russian President Putin will "destroy" Ukraine if the country does not cooperate.

Turn of Trump
A little over a month ago, Trump said Ukraine could win the war with the support of the European Union. Then he was remarkably positive about that. In a post on Truth Social, he stated that the country, with the help of the EU and NATO, can take back all territories occupied by Russia.

It seems that last Thursday's phone conversation with Putin has changed his mind.

According to the FT and The Washington Post, the Russian president has made a new proposal whereby Ukraine will give up the Donetsk and Luhansk regions in exchange for small parts of Cherson and Zaporizha. Exactly that exchange would have been introduced to Zelensky on Friday.

Two sources told Reuters that they had the impression that Trump was influenced by Putin. Trump and Putin have agreed to meet in Budapest in a few weeks.

Screaming
Zelensky came to Washington on Friday in the hope of getting more weapons from the U.S., but according to insiders, the meeting degenerated into a screaming party, with Trump constantly cursing.

That this was not an incident turned out last night on board the Air Force One. Trump said the Donbas region - in southeastern Ukraine - should be divided "in the way that it is now." "Negotiation is possible later," he said. "Go home, stop fighting and stop killing people."

The Donbas consists of the regions of Luhansk and Donetsk. Luhansk is almost entirely occupied by Russia, Donetsk about three quarters.

What Trump is asking of Ukraine:

Pete Hegseth's tie during this meeting:

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[–] selkiesidhe@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago

It is disgusting that a man like Zelenskyy has to even be in the same room with a vile scum sucking pig like drumpf (aka diaper don aka PEDOnald aka the child rapist).

[–] fox2263@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Crazy to think it was only a hot minute ago he was swinging the other way.

Fucker is influenced so easily.

But I also think time is on a loop, this was his potion before his previous position in the flip-flop of positions.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

it was only a hot minute ago he was swinging the other way.

people need to stop listening to trump and look at what he's doing instead.

[–] Red_October@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (2 children)

That's the Art of the Deal, baby! Throw a screaming swearing tantrum and demand you get your way!

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

And then poop your pants and call daddy Putin and ask to be called a good boy

[–] reddifuge@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Little baby probably didn't get his Mcdonalds. One of his Big Mac attacks.

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 164 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Trump is more scared than Zelensky

Putin puts on the pressure

[–] Tehbaz@lemmy.wtf 93 points 2 days ago (10 children)

Because Putin has irrefutable evidence of Trump fucking kids, committing treason, or something else he doesn't want MAGA to see.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 85 points 2 days ago (6 children)

There is literally nothing that he could release that would affect MAGA. Nothing.

[–] TheReanuKeeves@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

Trump could slap a MAGA in the face with his dick and they would both agree it was Biden's fault

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[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

There's only one way to find out if you're right or wrong. Let's release those files!

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[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago

The treason has been out in the open for a while now. MAGAts don't care.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 15 points 2 days ago

Or maybe he told Trump he wouldn't be his friend unless Trump sold out Ukraine.

There's a reasonable chance that Trump sucks up to Putin not because of kompromat, but because he admires Putin and wants to be his pal.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Likely Putin has tapes made on the Epstein island.

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[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago

Or maybe it's something else, like Putin pretending to get into a snit and saying "No iron fist in a rubber glove for you, Donnie, you're not my friend anymore."

Leverage points don't all have to be coercive. Maybe there's kompromat, maybe there's been some weird kind of transference and Trump's in love with his handler. Maybe he's an aspiring dictator so he sucks up to other dictators. Or he's so feeble-minded that he's easily swayed by anyone who knows how to push his buttons.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 days ago

Based on sources, the newspaper reports that Trump warned that Russian President Putin will "destroy" Ukraine if the country does not cooperate.

Hey hey hey, don't shoot the messenger now! Trump is only relaying what his boss told him, it's not his fault!

[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 70 points 2 days ago (2 children)

When the fuck will you people understand that this clown does not have any sort of cohesive tie-together strategy. He just says whatever he feels like, for a variety of reasons -- maybe the last person in the room was a good guy today, maybe Fox News rolled old clips of a protest, maybe Orange Guy saw an AI meme of Zelensky doing whatever, who knows.

So saying "Turn of Trump" and legitimizing his actions and words as if they are thoughtful and strategic is ABSOLUTELY BANANAS

[–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Does he even remember stuff, is he steered by the political geniuses around him? Maybe he forgot he diddled kids.

Who knows...

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[–] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 73 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Trump just seems to repeat the thoughts of the last person he spoke to that actually got through to him somehow. Why Putin seems to be so good at doing that is anyone's guess.

In any case, this will continue until he meets some European leaders again. I think the person who flipped him last time seems to have been King Charles?

But this all just shows it doesn't even matter. As Orwell said:

"The enemy is the gramophone mind, whether or not one agrees with the record that is being played at the moment."

He is too dumb to do anything else. The record will be changed and changed back again and again.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Why Putin seems to be so good at doing that is anyone’s guess.

It's probably not all that hard. We've seen him waffle back and forth on this one so it seems like just about anybody with the patience and will to be a sycophant can butter him up and convince him of anything.

[–] altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago

Trump just seems to repeat the thoughts of the last person he spoke to that actually got through to him somehow.

He also recently failed at bringing peace to Gaza, at least he loudly reacted at that.

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[–] SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml 80 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If you have the facts on your side, hammer the facts.

If you have the law on your side, hammer the law.

If you have neither the facts nor the law, hammer the table.

[–] Puddinghelmet@lemmy.world 31 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Just make sure you're the last one that has called or talked with trump... He just follows the last opinion he heard SMH coward

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[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 66 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (12 children)

I really wish Ukraine could eliminate Putin and as many of his inner circle as possible. The world would be so much better off if all narcissist megalomaniacs were in the dirt.

[–] wirebeads@lemmy.ca 28 points 2 days ago

Every. Single. One. Of. Them.

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[–] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Wonder how close to sunset that meeting was. Trump coulda been sundowning lol

[–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

If that guy was a drunk he'd be less unhinged.

[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I bet if djt hopped in his F35 to dump on the disputed territories, it would stop the fighting for a while.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago (3 children)

It's almost surreal how Trump who doesn't give a shit about people, is beating the "stop the killing" drum here?
We all know he doesn't give a shit about the killing, but apparently he can't express his real reason to want to end this war?

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago

His real reason in this case is because his boss, Putin, wants him to get Ukraine to surrender.

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[–] ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm sure this has nothing to do with the fact that outbursts of aggression are a symptom of dementia. Cool cool.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 days ago

It's more a case of shit flowing downhill. Putin gave Trump a talking-to, Trump got all stressed out, so he lost his shit in front of Zelenskyy.

Anyone with a weak-willed asshole boss has experienced this.

[–] myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip 18 points 2 days ago (3 children)

So is throwing a tantrum how you become a master negotiator?

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[–] xxce2AAb 17 points 2 days ago

"I realize the concept might be foreign to you, but I'm beholden to the will of the electorate I represent. You know, like a President."

[–] Puddinghelmet@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Trump and Putin have agreed to meet in Budapest in a few weeks.

That means putin will have to be arrested so sure go ahead ! Do it!

[–] athairmor@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Orbán will let Putin walk all over Hungary unmolested.

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[–] thecaptaintrout@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 days ago

Unfortunately, Budapest is in Hungary, i.e. Putin fan Orbin's country.

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