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I don't know if I'm going crazy but looking at the current situation in the world ... please tell me that I'm overexagurating

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[–] Hubi@feddit.org 97 points 1 month ago (3 children)

please tell me that I’m overexagurating

You're overexaggerating.

[–] 30p87@feddit.org 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Mach mal nicht so'n Fass auf.

Einfach locker durch die Hose atmen.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Man kann jetzt noch schneller ekk'n

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Nah, there won't be WW3. Instead we get countries sabotaging each other via hacking critical infrastructure, proxy wars, propaganda, trade wars.

I doubt there will ever be a direct "hot war" between the top five nuclear powers ever again.

WW3 is not what's gonna kill people, climate change is more likely gonna be humanity's downfall.

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago (3 children)

No. It’s bad for the economy.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The number one thing I've learned through the last several decades is that if it's bad for the economy, no one will do it. Greed is the number one driver of everything right now. Maybe that will change, but I doubt it. Look at all the positive progress we try to make, it's stopped the second anyone rich would lose any money.

[–] iii@mander.xyz 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Russia fucked their own economy.

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[–] ReanuKeeves@lemm.ee 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You could not be more wrong

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[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 month ago

To the wealthy, volatility is opportunity. Yeah, the market will go down for a while, and later it'll go back up. Billionaires will cash in both ways.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 29 points 1 month ago

The situation today is nowhere near as bad as the Cold War.

Think of it this way. All of the 0.01%ers in china, USA and Russia share the same tastes and values. Think any of them are really hot to blow up their nice places on the Rivera?

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Could already be going. We didn't name them World War 1 and World War 2 until after they were over

Yeah, I’d tend to agree. The war is digital and economic. Countries are hacking each other’s infrastructure and commercial systems, mass propaganda and spying with troll farms, tiktok and even hardware. Plenty of fighting with sanctions, tariffs, bans of sales of technology.

Fighting for land right now is really unnecessary, however depending on how well humanity survives climate change I’d expect to see some arguments going in to drilling and mining places like Greenland, the arctic and antarctic. China is already setting up shop in Antarctica.

We are also all tied together economically in so many different ways that a war between major powers would be economically devastating for everyone before the first shot is fired, particularly for the countries that ceded most of their production to other countries that might be hostile in war.

[–] hansolo@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

Is already going for the last 10 years.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I've been expecting WW3 since 1983.

[–] AnarchoDakosaurus@toast.ooo 4 points 1 month ago

Only Wiseman in the thread.

[–] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

In 2001 there was that 9/11 thing and it sounded like WW3 had just started. Turns out, it didn't. Well, lots of things did happen as a result of it, but WW3 wasn't one of them. Soon after that, USA was involved in a number of wars in the middle east and it felt like WW3 had just started. Again, it didn't. Some time around 2010s the tension between North Korea and South Korea was getting pretty intense, and a friend of mine started talking WW3... As usual, WW3 didn't start.

At the moment, the situation in Ukraine feels just like all the other major incidents, but we'll see how it works out. If you expose your mind to tabloid journalism, it begins to feel like the entire world is about to explode. History has a tendency of repeating itself, so I suggest reading about the things that lead to WW1 and WW2. Once, you've done that, you'll begin to pay attention to certain signs and start ignoring most of the nonsense tabloids keep writing about.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

That's just survivorship bias, you didn't live through the worlds where all those things escalated into flat out war, you dimension skipping hippie.

[–] chaosCruiser@futurology.today 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I’m a very picky hippie when it comes to dimensions.

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[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 14 points 1 month ago (5 children)

No.

Russia (the current primary aggressor) is on the brink of a banking system collapse. It doesn't have the money to wage war on a bigger scale than it already is.

China is far more interested in trade than hostilities.

The middle east has been a tinder box for over a hundred years. I don't see it dragging outsiders into it and hopefully we have a respite coming.

Central Asia has tension between India and Pakistan, but that's nothing new. India could piss off China or the reverse, and if that kicked off the loss of life could be on a scale that would be unprecedented but still I think it wouldn't drag the west in.

The US has joined the party

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[–] iii@mander.xyz 12 points 1 month ago

It's reminiscent of the cold war.

[–] SparrowHawk@feddit.it 11 points 1 month ago (6 children)

I think that the true world war 3 will not be nations against nations, but citizens against their own nations. The stage is set for an actual paradigm shift or system annihilation. We will not support civilization if it doesn't change, either the people destroy the pyramid or the pyramid will destroy the world.

[–] Danitos@reddthat.com 4 points 1 month ago (9 children)

I kinda doubt that will happen. For instance, look at Venezuela: Venezuelans are beyond fed up with Maduro's dictatorship, but there's nothing they can do against the government forces.

Governments will do anything they can to prevent a paradigm change.

[–] Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago

What revolution really takes is soldier's that are protecting the system being unwilling to kill when the "rebels" are their family and friends.

If soldiers have love for the people and see common cause more than they fear their leaders then the leader can fall.

[–] DancingBear@midwest.social 4 points 1 month ago (10 children)

Venezuela has been hurt by sanctions because the government was helping the people. The wealthy people of Venezuela don’t like the government because it is more socialist.

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[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I don't think so.

Primarily because there's not economic benefit in it for the ruling class.

Also, we've made the experience of the war in the middle east around 2000 where the USA couldn't even occupy a farmer's state for more than a couple years.

I don't think anybody realistically thinks they can take over another (big) country in this time.

[–] con_fig@programming.dev 9 points 1 month ago

Famously the same was said about WWI re the economic benefit.

[–] dx1@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago

Primarily because there’s not economic benefit in it for the ruling class.

Our history of perpetual war seems to disprove this

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago

No thanks. Appreciate the offer though, very kind of you.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago

According to the Science and Security Board of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, we are closer to nuclear war now than ever in history. Closer than when boomers were doing school duck and cover drills.

2024 Doomsday Clock Statement: A moment of historic danger: It is still 90 seconds to midnight

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Star Trek says that we shouldn't expect World War 3 until 2026, so we've got 1 more year to live to the fullest before then.

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago

When Trump was elected again I spent about 3 weeks living with an existential dread I've never in my life felt before.

Whenever it happens, it is coming.

[–] GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago
[–] DragonsInARoom@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago
[–] Xaphanos@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

I think it has already started. It just hasn't consolidated yet.

[–] RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You never really know, it's plausible. But I doubt it. It doesn't seem any more likely now than it did in 2016.

Ceasefire in Gaza for a minimum of 6 weeks (if I understood the news correctly) is huge. That conflict might be close to over if we're lucky.

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[–] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago

So, WW3 won't happen until the oligarchy says it's time. Not sure why now would be the time, but I suppose it could be. There's like a billion people in the world making a dollar a day, a few billion people only making a few dollars a day... That's a few billion dollars per day the oligarchy almost certainly thinks belongs in their pocket instead. So I could see them continuing to squeeze the world for every last drop of wealth, which I think will cause unrest in a lot of places. Add climate change to that and I think things just get bad everywhere for most people. Obviously the oligarchy will just go to their islands, yachts, bunkers until a few billion are dead and they can pop back out with their private armies ready to "save" the world.

A lot of people think they need us to buy their trinkets, but the entire consumer middle class is only like 100 years old, and I think was only designed to keep us distracted while they plundered the world. Now that a small handful of people own everything, and soon enough robots and AI will replace most human labor, it's mission accomplished and we can go back to feudalism where they are gods and everyone else is slaves.

[–] DragonsInARoom@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago
[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I highly doubt that WWIII will happen (within the next few years), however I forsee the next several years to not be peacful. There will be several (regional/civil) despites that will most likley occur and the chances of any of them escalating is highly unlikley. Here are the conflicts I forsee:

  • Continued Syrian Civil War: wont be pretty but escalation is unlikely
  • Palestinian occupation: Will absolutely continue to be horrific but none of the neighboring Arab counties care enough to escalate (or risk US aid)
  • Russia/Ukraine war: Russia will get some territory and thats about it, probrally just the Russian majority areas. After that the EU will intimidate Russia to back off.
  • India/China border dispute: They'll make a lot of noise, actural fighting is unlikely
  • US/Canada/Mexico/Greenland conflict: Who knows tbh, most likley Trump is running off his mouth as always
  • China/Taiwan: I severly doubt it, in addition the US is moving microchip manufacturing to the US so strategic value may loosen

Worst case scenario here is a full blown war between the EU and Russia, the US likley wont get involved (Trump doesnt care about Europe) and neither will China (both counties might send aid respectively). It would probrally end with Russia surrendering followed by them loosing no land and maybe a regime change plus some political reforms.

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It’ll take longer than 2 years. It’ll take a decade.

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