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[–] Squorlple@lemmy.world 58 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Not giving both sides of an argument your platform to opine on if one of the sides is plainly bigoted and/or anti-scientific

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago

"Joe Rogan presents both sides of the vaccine debate!"

Joe Rogan may have brought two different opinions; he did not bring on a proportional number representing the actual consensus.

Which would be like 99 vaccine scientists and infectious disease specialists for every loony.

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[–] cRazi_man@lemm.ee 56 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

If I get to my dentist on time, he makes me wait 20 min.

If I get to my dentist 10 min late he refuses to see me.

[–] Usernameblankface@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've experienced this myself, and it is a double standard.

[–] cornshark@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah if the dentist makes you wait for 20 minutes, you definitely should have the right not to see him

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

How long before I get the right to sit the dentist in the chair and extract all their teeth?

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[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (17 children)

Exclusive spaces for women and minorities while requiring male spaces to accept women and minorities. Like women or black only colleges and associations.

Sorry fellow white dudes, we still have so many comparative advantages and there is too much systemic racism and misogyny left to address before a white or men only club is in any way comparable.

[–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago

This actually is still helpful for us white dudes, if you meet another white guy that gets pissy about exclusive spaces you know that person isn’t worth talking to anymore!

[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

No, that is a double-standard, it’s just a double-standard you’re arguing is justified.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The definition of a double standard is that it's unjust. At least, in common English.

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[–] lime@feddit.nu 5 points 1 week ago

it would be more of a double standard if the two groups were on equal footing, but they're not.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (12 children)

Reverse discrimination is not an answer to the issue of discrimination - it is discrimination in itself.

Excluding any group of people is not only wrong in itself, but likely to drive a negative response from the people excluded, likely fueling movements against it - and against equality activists at large. You'll be seen as hypocrites at best, and along with you everyone who just genuinely wishes for people to become fully equal.

This is not the way.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Reverse discrimination isn't a thing. It is a good sign that the person using the term is a moron because as you noted, discrimination is just discrimination.

But minorities and women having their own spaces isn't discrimination. Women's sports leagues isn't discrimination. It is a response to being discriminated against for decades or centuries. So are black colleges, which were a response to being excluded from most universities. They exist because otherwise they wouldn't have been able to do those things because of the actual discrimination. It simply isn't the same thing at all because of the larger context.

On a side note, the whole transphobic 'no trans women in women's sports' bullshit is discrimination because it further excludes an even smaller portion of the population that is discriminated against even more than women.

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[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Add to this the previously white fictional characters being replaced with actors of color and I couldn't care less. The market will decide if it was a good idea with ratings. Sometimes it's a smashing success other times a complete disaster.

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 11 points 1 week ago

I remember seeing some neckbeard-ass post on Reddit when the live-action Little Mermaid trailer came out, saying how it wouldn't make sense for somebody living in that region of the ocean to have dark skin because of the longitude and depth of the water, etc...

Like... You're really trying to argue the scientific accuracy of... [checks notes] ... a fucking MERMAID? Spare everybody the mental gymnastics and just say you don't like black people.

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

My only argument against that stuff is make a whole new character or your just pandering disingenuously.

But for the most part I agree.

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[–] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Asking as a brown person, can you tell me what advantages white people are receiving that I'm not?

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I scanned your comments and you're not totally off your rocker, so I'll not be as big of an ass as I usual am.

Your experience is an anecdote. The plural of anecdote is not "data".

The data shows that minorities are unfairly targeted by police. Arrested more, released more as innocent. Prosecuted more for the same rate of incidence.

The data shows that having an "ethnic" name gets fewer responses to an identical resume.

The data shows that for literal decades, some would say still, minorities couldn't get home loans in good areas with good schools.

What benefit do white people have? I have never, literally not once, thought or cared about my race. My privilege is getting to live without noticing my race in any meaningful context. That's why white people have to be "woken". We're comfortably asleep in our bubble, from birth.

If you don't see it, great! But that might say less about reality, and more about your ability to perceive it.

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[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (4 children)

There are people out there that would not hire you based on the only thing I know about you. I've met enough of them that I have to assume there are more.

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[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

I can talk back to the police in a non-violent setting without getting shot.

As a white male, there is zero chance of deing discriminated against when applying for 95% of jobs.

I can walk into most buildings without being questioned. Nobody has ever told me that I don't belong somewhere because of who I am.

While whites that live in poverty can face some discrimination compared to middle class whites, $100 in clothing is enough to fit in most public spaces without drawing any attention. Minorities can't do that.

Those are the most obvious things, but they also mean that my economic and social standing basically went up my entire life by just being polite and working. That builds on itself, and while not all white men are successful. Being white isn't one of their hurdles.

All of those things are advantages compared to people who are not white males.

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[–] Nemo@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 week ago

I don't know your situation, but I certainly can tell you that at least in the Western Hemisphere, in the aggregate descendants of indigenous people and slaves are overcoming systemic injustice that robbed their ancestors of economic advantages, dignity, and liberty, and often introduced intergenerational trauma as well. And I don't mean, like, in the past, redlining for example was legal within our parents lifetime and related forms of discrimination are still practiced today.

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I can tell cops to fuck themselves with zero fear of reprisal because I look and sound wealthy enough to sue.

edit: Statistically speaking as a white guy im ~50% less likely to be shot by police.

[–] Xtallll@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago

If a Black man dies, he is more likely to have been shot by a cop compared to a white man, if a white guy has an interaction with a cop he is ≈30% more likely to be shot, the real white privilege is going years without interacting with a cop.

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[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 23 points 1 week ago

Some people can be trusted with some responsibility, and others can't.

[–] leaky_shower_thought@feddit.nl 18 points 1 week ago

i am not 100% confident but this question reminds me of the paradox of tolerance argument.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Four lefts aren't a right, but three lefts are.

[–] thirteene@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

How about 4 slight lefts?

[–] I_Miss_Daniel@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] dahpu@feddit.org 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What about boolean though? /s

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[–] Chozo@fedia.io 3 points 1 week ago

A bubble bastard. It sounds like a double standard, but it most certainly is not.

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