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They sell things that come in cups, or with napkins. Lots of people cycle/run/walk here instead of driving, seems pretty stupid.

Taking away the bins doesn't mean you don't produce rubbish....

Edit: I think there is still a bin IN the cafe, but most people eat/drink outside. Lots of people asking staff where the bins are. Still hypocritical I think though? (And still mildly infuriating to remove well used bins!)

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[–] brax@sh.itjust.works 3 points 12 minutes ago* (last edited 12 minutes ago)

...huh? They want to cut down on litter by removing the convenient locations for people to dispose their would-be litter?

Fuck there are some incredibly fucking stupid people in charge of places right now...

[–] HorseFD@lemmy.world 33 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

This is the reason given in Australia by Parks Victoria

LEAVE NO TRACE

Advocate for minimal-impact practices wherever you go. Many people are surprised to find no bins in national parks. Waste attracts native animals, which can change their natural behaviour and harm both natural and cultural sites, as well as your personal belongings.

Always bring rubbish bags (and one for your neighbour) and take all your rubbish home. Help educate others about the importance of leaving the park pristine, minimising your impact on the delicate balance of the ecosystem.

[–] Dultas@lemmy.world 3 points 50 minutes ago

Have a fence, sign, benches seems pretty antithetical to LNT.

[–] xia@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 59 minutes ago

Looks like the bean-counters thought they could easily axe the trash cost by shoving onto eveeyone else. I doubt it will increase the natural beauty there.

[–] fuamerikkka@lemm.ee 1 points 40 minutes ago (1 children)

Think it's a mentality as well.

Had a friend in high school and after the drive in we went to, I cleaned up my trash and threw it away. My friend said "why are you doing that, they pay people to do that" and proceeded to leave her trash.

Didn't stay friends, but who the f thinks that way?

Entitled Amerikkkans.... that's who.

Pick up your own trash.

Not other people's trash.

YOUR OWN.

[–] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 1 points 29 minutes ago

You sound like tool

[–] criitz@reddthat.com 24 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (2 children)

I'd give this some odds of reducing trash pollution. It can seem frustrating, but it MAY change people's behavior in a way that reduces litter. Behavioral economics can be counterintuitive.

EDIT: What matters is the result. If this makes more people litter, they should probably bring back the bins. If this reduces litter, they should keep it this way, regardless of how inconvenient or "stupid" you the reader find it.

[–] bali10050@lemmy.world 36 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

No. Most people just start littering when there's no trash bins nearby.

[–] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 14 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Think of the stupidest person you know, etc etc.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Hardly an issue of stupidity. We've got shops a short ride away that sell you disposables with the intent of bringing them into the park. And we've got a park that's removed the bins used to cart the waste back out again.

The stupidity is in the policy. Either you have to prevent people from bringing this stuff in (incredibly difficult) or you have to manage the waste that exists by centralizing its collection and export (significantly easier and cheaper).

[–] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 3 points 1 hour ago

People that litter are atupid/lazy/poorly educated.

Unfortunately, if you don’t provide bins, some people are going to litter. Does my head in.

[–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 9 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

They're shit people. I take cans home to recycle because we don't have proper recycling at my workplace.

[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 16 points 3 hours ago

Yes, they are. But that does not make it better that there is no bin. I have been in a situation with no bin but trash that can not simply be carried (disgusting liquid) and had to dump it. That is extremely rare for me, I usually pick up others trash. But there are situations where you simply need a bin, no matter how green you are.

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 22 points 3 hours ago (5 children)

If you operate a business that sells things in paper plates and wrappers, you certainly have a moral responsibility to have waste receptacles to collect those waste products.

The problem isn't that a park lacks trash cans. The problem is that a cafe removed their trash bins.

[–] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I feel the same way, but about places that sell coffee having an obligation to provide a public bathroom.

Glares angrily at 7-11

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[–] earphone843@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 hours ago

It's like my university campus removing all ashtrays to stop people from smoking.

[–] Apocalypteroid@lemmy.world 106 points 7 hours ago (10 children)

I used to work for the Woodland Trust and believe that this is the right thing to do. Bins in woodlands do not get emptied often and will often overflow and attract unwanted pests like rats. Rats will also eat the eggs of ground nesting birds and cause other environmental issues.

If they are selling food on site then the food vendor should have a bin that their customers can use inside their cabin/cafe and dispose of the waste daily as part of the service.

[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 55 points 6 hours ago (21 children)

Bins in woodlands do not get emptied often and will often overflow

Think I found the problem— why not do the obvious thing and empty them more often?

[–] Apocalypteroid@lemmy.world 7 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Because that would mean employing someone to empty them regularly, and as most woodland is few and far between in this country most woodland owners deem that an unnecessary expense.

[–] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 10 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

There’s a cafe and forestry workers, is it that time consuming?

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

And how do they get the garbage to the dump? You would need vehicles, insurance, garage, maintenance departments… it all snowballs.

Just be responsible for your own garbage, not a hard concept.

[–] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The cafe will have a contract with someone to take away waste, this waste could be included.

I totally agree people should take away rubbish that they create, unfortunately many dont.

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world -1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Public waste wouldn’t be included in the cafes waste, you expecting them to foot the bill?

[–] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Sounds like the cafe is run by forestry England. If they don’t want thick and lazy people to chuck waste around the forest and cafe area, I think they should provide bins. Unfortunately, some people don’t care.

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

What makes you think the cafe is run by the forestry?

[–] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

The forest center near me removed the bins.

.. From their café/picnic area

Says “their” in the comment when you open the post.

If you run a business, you generally dispose of waste that that business produces, if there’s a sit in area provided.

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 58 minutes ago) (1 children)

Yeah dude, OP is an idiot and lied to make this post, you seriously expecting them to know that the restaurant and park aren’t the same…?

If you run a business, you generally dispose of waste that that business produces, if there’s a sit in area provided.

They do? Inside the cafe. You are not suggesting that a food business would be going against the law and their business license by not having them for their own personal use are you…? Right….?

They most likely removed the bins so the people in the park with their vehicle waste and granola bars weren’t filling it up…. Or people from the cafe were filling up the public bin, making a private business a public issue. Both aren’t good situations.

[–] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 0 points 55 minutes ago

Yeah, I looked it up. Taking away bins and then moaning about litter is moronic though, cause too many people are dickheads.

[–] abigscaryhobo@lemmy.world 12 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Genuine answer here, as someone who volunteers for the parks. A lot of times the budgets are tight, depending on whose responsibility it is to clean up the area and what services are there/nearby, the staffing just isn't available. Yeah it's a pretty easy thing to do in theory, but in practice when it becomes "okay and 2 hours of your shift is driving out there and emptying the cans" it's not a far leap to just "Remove the cans, make the snack stand dispose of their garbage on their own"

I mean I get it, the cans are nice but also, like you're an adult. Throw your trash away on your own.

"But then people will throw it on the ground!" Okay then pay someone to stand out there and slap every idiot that thinks littering is okay because they couldn't find a can in 10 seconds.

It's common decency in plenty of places around the world to take your garbage with you until you find a can. It's not hard.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

It’s common decency in plenty of places around the world to take your garbage with you until you find a can.

But you've removed all the cans rather than fix your budgeting problems.

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I’m sure the parking lot or your house has one. Why do you think other people should pay for your laziness to dispose of your own garbage?

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

That's the function of the parks service. And it's taxpayer money, so it's my money paying for it too.

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[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

Just take your garbage home.

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[–] KayLeadfoot@fedia.io 88 points 7 hours ago (8 children)

Gentrified forest is the most cursed phrase I heard in a minute.

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 hours ago

That's not how this works.

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