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“Even if this motion is successful, it doesn’t mean that Luigi Mangione walks out of prison,” said Ron Kuby, a criminal defense attorney whose practice focuses on civil rights. “All it means is that the items that were seized from him, or seized that belong to him, can’t be used as evidence against him.”

Kuby thinks that Mangione’s team has made enough claims in their papers to merit a hearing on the issues, in which the police officer involved would have to testify, confirming or denying the facts. “It does appear that they stopped and frisked Mangione without a legal basis to do it. If that’s true, everything that follows from there is likely to be found to be unconstitutional,” he said.

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[–] wirebeads@lemmy.ca 205 points 1 week ago (3 children)

America needs more Luigis.

[–] CallateCoyote@lemmy.world 59 points 1 week ago

Many, many more.

[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Definitely more symbols like him. If he's found innocent, then we must ask if Luigi's identity and movement extend to the true killer. If he's found guilty, then we have a more complex conversation.

Either way, we need more.

[–] Broadfern@lemmy.world 53 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I’m still convinced this poor kid is a patsy because NYPD was facing down a riot, or worse (for them), for the blatant classism in their investigation efforts.

Unfortunately much of the public has given Luigi credit/deemed him “guilty” out of a need for ideological symbolism and an outlet to express frustration.

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm also of the opinion that the real killer might have very well gotten away and I seriously would not put it past the dirty cops to have a close lookalike take a fall and plant evidence on him.

Regardless, what the court of public opinion thinks of the guy who got arrested for the crime in question is, thankfully, still irrelevant in court proceedings. The prosecution still has to prove that it was him, and if they improperly collected the evidence they plan to use against him, it's going to be an uphill battle.

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[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

And should they be on the chubbier side, they can be Mario.

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[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 159 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Without the obviously planted evidence, all they have is a video that doesn't show his face. If i was on the jury, that's enough reasonable doubt for me.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago (14 children)

I expect they have more than that and will present it at trial.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I mean, he'd need a functional alibi. So far, nobody seems to want to explain where he was when Thompson got got.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Not really; without the items that were seized, they don't really have much of anything that would link him to the location, aside from some bad security camera footage that, IMO, doesn't really look like him. Insisting that he needs an alibi is reversing the burden of proof; it's saying that, unless he can prove he was elsewhere, then their claim must be correct. But they have so little without the evidence seized at the arrest that the case would be very thin.

Look, if you asked me where I was when The Asshole Brian Thompson was shot, I'd have no fucking idea unless it was something that was a big enough deal that I noted it in my calendar. I don't even remember where I was when 11 Sept. happened.

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[–] misteloct@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Literally was with me that night. I can describe his very private birthmark if needed.

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[–] AarynBlack@lemm.ee 125 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I just wanted to say Luigi without getting banned

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 103 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You can post images, too! Ain't that neat?

[–] Boxscape@lemmy.sdf.org 64 points 1 week ago (6 children)
[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 3 points 6 days ago

May his weapon be hollowed thrice over.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 days ago

I'm on the mobile web client on Firefox (yeah still gotta switch) and it gives me an error navigating to your link here. Says the image is to wide

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[–] AreaKode@lemmy.world 100 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 94 points 1 week ago (2 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_of_the_poisonous_tree

There are exceptions, though. It'll be a question of whether or not the prosecution can make an argument that it falls into one of those.

...well, it'll be a question of who's at the judge's bench. The actual law doesn't mean shit in this country.

[–] Artyom@lemm.ee 49 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The judge on the bench in this case has been insisting on Luigi wearing ankle cuffs, so there's that for context...

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 23 points 1 week ago

pretty much the courts already show bias.

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[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 56 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Wow, that sketch makes the youthful and confident looking Luigi look more like a mob underling from a GTA game. Yikes

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[–] th3squ3akywh33l@lemmy.world 47 points 1 week ago (2 children)

“ _Brazen killing” I sure do love to see mainstream news articles.

[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

It was carried out without shame so brazen is sn appropriate adjective.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Is there any other kind of killing? I mean murders are all described as cowardly and brutal. But is there such a thing as a gentle or brave murder?

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yes, actually, both sneaky/covert killings and also accidental killings are still illegal but not very brazen as a broad daylight shooting on the city streets, leaving behind bullet casings with a message etched into them.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Poisoning is considered a next level evil in western culture.

For example all killings by poison in Canada are considered first degree murder. There are no exceptions.

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[–] HowAbt2morrow@futurology.today 40 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The court artist made Luigi look like a grumpy Liberace. Wtf?!

[–] GreyAlien@lemm.ee 52 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I worked in courts and the sketch artists are something else. One time, one of them sketched me in 5min. I looked so bummed and guilty that I felt like I was staring down a 25 year sentence. To this day I still keep the drawing on my wall ( ˘ ³˘)

[–] HowAbt2morrow@futurology.today 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That’s pretty cool that you can have something like that at home. Must make for some cool conversations.

Between the two of us, how guilty were you? For real though.

[–] GreyAlien@lemm.ee 30 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Ahah it truly does! Especially when I invite partners, some get uneasy, thinking it’s some kind of trophy of some kind. Can get awkward but it’s a pretty effective glass breaker.

On the advice of my highly paid counsel, I respectfully decline to answer that question and invoke the fifth, trump style.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Trump style? So you’re going to eventually tell us everything?

[–] MintyFresh@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

With poor grammar, lots OF ALL CAPS SO WE KNOW YOUR SUPER CEREAL. Just ramble on in a moronic stream OF CONSCIOUSNESS. All on a 2am twitter post.

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[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Merit a hearing = 0 chance, but it shows the public and DA that this is going to be a fight, and to appeals.

It concerns me that we haven't had more of this, he should be running a ferociously aggressive defense, the only reasons he wouldn't are:

  1. Very confident that he can't be convicted as a matter of law. I suspect convicting him by jury would be hard, but definitely possible. The federal charges are more concerning, the US As have more influence over juries often.

  2. They know this is bad and are waiting to knock out a few key pieces of evidence in a long-shot hail-Mary because it's their only chance, and otherwise they want room to make a deal.

I hope it's not the latter.

Personally I suspect they're confident in a hung jury on the state charges but know they're going down hard on the federal ones, and are trying to spin it as federal overreach, which won't work but it's an argument.

10 years from.now if the pendulum swings back he can appeal and get out that way.

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