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The lead plaintiff in the case, Nyree Hinton, bought a used Model Y with less than 37,000 miles (59,546 km) on the odometer. Within six months, it had pushed past the 50,000-mile (80,467 km) mark, at which point the car's bumper-to-bumper warranty expired. (Like virtually all EVs, Tesla powertrains have a separate warranty that lasts much longer.)

For this six-month period, Hinton says his Model Y odometer gained 13,228 miles (21,288 km). By comparison, averages of his three previous vehicles showed that with the same commute, he was only driving 6,086 miles (9,794 km) per 6 months.

Edit: I just want to point out that I just learned that changing your tires to ones of a different diameter can also affect how your spedometer clocks. So yeah, this issue is full of nuance and plausible things as to why this could not be true.

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[–] zlatko@programming.dev 2 points 21 hours ago

Well, true, but tyres wouldn't make it a double distance, it's not that simple. The case isn't clear, if course, but the claim says that the odometer tried to reduce the range after it got out of the warranty period.

Not saying anything about the merit of the case, just the the claim itself sounds interesting and that if true, you can't wave it away with "you changed tyres".

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 60 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Good thing we have the CFPB to register and punish companies for shady practices like th...oh, nevermind.

[–] easily3667@lemmus.org 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] lb_o@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Or intentionally?

[–] xia@lemmy.sdf.org 33 points 1 day ago
odometer += sensor * this_is_just_for_debugging_i_promise(odometer);
[–] Wimster@lemmy.wtf 77 points 1 day ago

In the past, Tesla lawyers even initiated lawsuits against customers who dared to criticize the quality of their cars or services. Such cases are documented and therefore not fake news. Last week, moreover, DOGE dismantled the department responsible for safety control and approval of new cars entering the market. Tesla experienced too many problems with this department in the past and now, through DOGE, took the opportunity to simply dismantle it. Moral of the story... buy a Tesla, a “safe” decision.

[–] nomecks@lemmy.wtf 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can't change the tire size on a Model Y very much because of the weird suspension design.

[–] cmlael67@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago

Plus, to double the mileage registered by using different size tires, you'd have to put a roughly 10" tire on a Model Y.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 61 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Changing your tire sizing only changes the speedo and odo a few percent. You can usually just ignore it unless you're making drastic changes.

[–] Decq@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yeah aeems a pretty useless edit for an obvious fact. Especially as in this case you would need tires half the circumference of the original to make sense.. Gotta be some tiny tires..

Edit, had it the wrong way around

[–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 11 points 1 day ago

Hey Siri how do I convert from inches to circumstance

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 day ago (7 children)

A odometer is a smell sensor, no?

[–] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 43 points 1 day ago

They don't install those in new cars, you need one made in the ol'factory.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

How silly, it's obvious that would be an odormeter. An odometer is about something else entirely.

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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago

Let's use the Smelloscope!

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[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 1 day ago

Well I'm curious to find out what discovery will show.

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 152 points 2 days ago (6 children)

The speedometer is also predictive.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

From Berlin to Warsaw in one tank.

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 42 points 2 days ago

You know this is fake cause it's not on garbage touchscreen

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[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 279 points 2 days ago (10 children)

It's far more likely that the odometer in Teslas are just poor quality crap like the rest of the car.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 173 points 2 days ago (7 children)

We already know they knowingly lied about battery range, the capabilities of self driving, and a ton of other fraudulent practices. Tesla is doing it intentionally is more likely than poor build quality.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 80 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Odometers are one of the oldest consumer protection tools. If it's off, it's very illegal.

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 53 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Yup, odometers were regulated specifically to protect consumers from widespread odometer fraud. Shit like companies requiring oil changes every 5k miles, and the odometer shows 5000 when it’s actually only 4000, so consumers pay for more service than they need. Or cases like this one, where a company is required to provide a warranty until the 50k odometer reading, and then fudges the odometer so it voids the warranty sooner than it should.

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[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 81 points 2 days ago (8 children)
[–] knightly@pawb.social 70 points 2 days ago (4 children)

When accused of crimes, deflect by admitting to even bigger crimes.

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[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No, it isn't. Tesla's past behavior shows that they would definitely try to do this, because they would make a lot of money. And if the odometers were "randomly" poor quality, why would we only see reports of mileage being mistakenly high? Where are the mistaken low reports? Haven't seen any of those.

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[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 45 points 2 days ago (5 children)

That's 70 miles a day, for anyone who doesn't want to do the math. I don't know where Hinton lives, but that's almost two laps around all of the highways surrounding the city I live in. That's 2 hours of driving on surface roads, not including stop lights and stop signs.

I wonder how much money Tesla has saved by breaking the law this way?

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

112 km a day, not a bad commute by Toronto standards - it’s one way for the Barrie to Toronto drivers

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[–] Eddbopkins@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wow that's a scummy thing to do. Just like apple I will never buy a Tesla product.

[–] pelley@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Apple’s odometers are fine.

[–] zlatko@programming.dev 1 points 21 hours ago

Pedometers, you mean?

[–] Geodad@lemm.ee 131 points 2 days ago

"Tesla commits fraud to void warranties."

There FTFY.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 46 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Add this to the pile of the rest of the illegal things billionaire Musk does simply because he can

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[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 141 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 54 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Should be super easy to prove too... Take an assortment of Teslas to a 1 mile stretch of road, drive it up and down 20 times, measure the mileage before and after.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 33 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Right, but Tesla has had time to push new code to their cars. So we could get a negative result now and still have past shadiness.

[–] twice_hatch@midwest.social 18 points 2 days ago

If the courts cared for the rights of people they would subpoena code routinely

We can't be ruled by black boxes that serve people who hate us. It has to end

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[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 87 points 2 days ago (19 children)

For this six-month period, Hinton says his Model Y odometer gained 13,228 miles (21,288 km). By comparison, averages of his three previous vehicles showed that with the same commute, he was only driving 6,086 miles (9,794 km) per 6 months.

That's 2x. Seems too obvious to be happening on all teslas

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[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 48 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's sooo many individual felonies.

Yet another reason for Elon to wreck all the agencies investigating him.

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[–] resipsaloquitur@lemm.ee 63 points 2 days ago (5 children)

You mean the guy that thinks we live in a simulation and he’s the player and we are all NPCs is cheating to give himself an advantage? I’m shocked.

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[–] invertedspear@lemm.ee 37 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Really needs to back this up with some corroborating evidence like Google maps location timeline or something. I don’t trust Tesla, but I also know when I switched to EV I started making excuses to drive everywhere. Practically free miles and great acceleration made driving a joy again. Also my wife and I would often swap vehicles if she had some errand across town to save on gas. Combined that out way more miles in my EV than I had been putting on the previous gas car.

If all this guy did is commute, then he likely has a case, but I really question that.

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[–] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 41 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Why is proprietary in devices we purchase bad? This right here. We are connected to the internet 24/7. Companies hiding what they control and what they collect, which is bad.

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