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[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 1 points 4 hours ago

No one truly knows the way forward, just that where we are is a bad place. Someday, the framers of our time will have to figure something out. Hopefully they will hear us, and take the best ideas for that something.


Anyhow, I think we should outright create an artificial economic system. Our problems come from inherited wealth, stratified institutions, and rube-goldberg solutions to corruption and inequality.

I think that one replacement that would be gamechanging, would be to make getting an education into a paid job. The state and federal government pays students for their grades. If this income is sufficient, a student can focus solely on learning, instead of accruing debt and being distracted by part-time work. We get more people getting their learning completed, thus entering the job market with the ability needed.

Of course, we would have to address more issues. Such as ghost jobs, unreasonable hiring standards, decentivizing companies from replacing veteran workers with greenhorns for fiscal reasons, and so forth. We simultaneously have too many and too few job seekers, due to perverse incentives.

I think it isn't companies that should be involved with hiring, instead they should send a request for a worker to the government, who posts the position with standardized requirements and reviews whether prospective employees have the required credentials. The government also tracks whether or not a job position is going unfilled by the company, and starts penalizing the corporation if a posted position consistently needs filling, employees churning, and so forth. This might help with the ghost job issue, and address issues of unfairness.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 14 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

And yet it isn't enough, they still want more more more.

Soon a single person will have as much as the bottom 50% and it still won't be enough

when will it be enough that we stop this?

Net wealth MIST be capped. Taxes could be a great tool for this, after a max level, everything above goes 100% to taxes. I don't know at what level that cap should be, but it's definitely less than billion, definitely less than 100 million, definitely less than 25 million.

There is no right to a crazy high net worth, and the only reason that people can is because we don't cap it. So, cap it. World wide. There is no reason to have a netwoth of over 25 million. Have it all go to taxes so that governments get a huge monetary boost that can be used for free healthcare, free education, free infrastructure, hell, maybe even universal income

With that we also take the power away. No longer will we have to deal with absolute lucky idiots like Sam Altman or Elmo Musk whose sole reasons for being this shit ass rich are being lucky and a loooong list of lies.

[–] alzymologist@sopuli.xyz 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

But then we'd get back to authoritarian society where some random representative would have resources to usurp. Taxes will solve nothing. No, we've got to dismantle the whole concept of superpowers, accumulation, and capitalism. We have enough just to feed everyone and educate all who want to be educated.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

But then we’d get back to authoritarian society where some random representative would have resources to usurp.

How does that follow yet dismantling all current systems wouldn't cause the same problem?

The answer is taxes. It's simple and effective without any revolution that would likely result in an authoritarian regime. It's a lack of taxes which allows authoritarians to flourish because the money they centralize is power. Distribute the money and you distribute the power.

[–] n0respect@lemmy.world 15 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

"Someday I'll be one of those 8"

[–] liuther9@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Those dumb cunts ruining my life and I hate it

[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 14 hours ago

trickle down economics. amirite?

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

You mean waking up in the morning being scared nr 9 will overtake you?

[–] Coleslaw4145@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

If that happens then they'll have to sell all their cars with gullwing/scissor doors and buy a car with regular doors.

[–] nucleative@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

And not one of them can walk down the street in any city he wants at any time.

Prisoners in their own chains.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

Nor their kids.

It's tragi comic.

[–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 16 points 18 hours ago (11 children)

Financial obesity is an existential threat to any society that tolerates it, and needs to cease being celebrated, rewarded, and positioned as an aspirational goal.

Corporations are the only ‘persons’ which should be subjected to capital punishment, but billionaires should be euthanised through taxation.

[–] Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 6 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

In deed. At some point, say 100 million for arguments sake. Once you accumulate that much wealth, you are taxed at 100%. You may not own, or make, anything above that number through any means. Forced retirement would also be something to think about. Giving younger generations a chance to make a life for themselves as well.

Society as a whole, would flourish.

[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

🌎 I vote BennyBoy for President! 🇺🇸

[–] Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago

User name checks out ;)

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[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 12 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I don't care about the heads.

I just want to repurpose the assets.

[–] buttnugget@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago

It’s symbolic.

[–] vogo13@sh.itjust.works 15 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini

A private equity business owner just became willingly elected as prime minister of Canada. Mussolini and Hitler have been resurrected.

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[–] notso@feddit.org 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

For those interested in more recent numbers, here is the latest Forbes top ten list: https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbeswealthteam/article/the-top-ten-richest-people-in-the-world/

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 82 points 1 day ago (5 children)

The world's wealthiest eight men control net wealth of $426 billion, based on estimates from Forbes.

Took me until this sentence to realize this article was from 2017. Muskrat is getting close to that all by himself - I saw something the other day that had him around $350 billion.

I'm sure the numbers are much much worse than they were 8 years ago.

[–] black0ut@pawb.social 18 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Elon musk has between $470B-$500B to his name, according to bloomberg and forbes. That would make him richer than the world's wealthiest 8 men in 2017.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_of_Elon_Musk

[–] OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I am totally on board this is my pre face.

That is not cash though. That is accumulated paper assets. I know people with million dollar net worths on paper that are broke in reality. As in unable to pay their bills. Assets and liquidity are separate things.

While I understand the point of rampant enshittification and capitalism, I thought that needs some clarity.

[–] MacAnus@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 hours ago

Can't those assets be sold for theoretically the amount of money they're worth?

[–] HeyJoe@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago

Top 3 today are just shy of 1 trillion dollars...

[–] pilferjinx@piefed.social 2 points 16 hours ago

This list doesn't include hidden wealth does it? Like Putin for example.

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[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 7 points 19 hours ago
[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If something like this ever did happen IRL, the vast majority of the world would cheer.

[–] redwattlebird@lemmings.world 12 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, one got shot and killed, and there was celebration.

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

... They're all in one room?

A guillotine is unnecessarily complicated.

... and also too humane.

[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago

Eight? Then there are five people missing from that stage.

[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 39 points 1 day ago (4 children)

It's just a matter of time before all that wealth flows down and everyone gets rich. Trust the system, it's working as intended.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 10 points 19 hours ago
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[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (4 children)

#8 Michael Bloomberg: $40 billion

#7 Larry Ellison: $43.6 billion

#6 Mark Zuckerberg: $44.6 billion

#5 Jeff Bezos: $45.2 billion

#4 Carlos Slim Helu: $50 billion

#3 Warren Buffett: $60.8 billion

#2 Amancio Ortega: $67 billion

#1 Bill Gates: $75 billion

I don't even buy these are the richest men bc I'm sure the richest men in the world would: A. never be named in a magazine list like this without suing, B. Likely have more wealth and assets that are unreported than they do reported. Also, didn't Peter Thiel recently become a trillionaire?

Regardless, I do just want to point out what most of the richest men in the world have in common, is a strong belief in natural heirarchies and social darwinism.

This list is supposed to exemplify survival of the fittest, or those "chosen by God" to rule over the rest of us...? I can't even imagine how sickly the men on the real list would look.

The masses wouldn't be able to function without them guiding the way and making the rules...

Does this look like a list of men put together by God or nature? As in, survival of the fittest rules where nature allowed this or God considered every human being on earth before selecting who he ordained worthy of steering the reigns of society, and this list was the final result?

[–] 14th_cylon@lemmy.zip 38 points 23 hours ago

#1 Bill Gates: $75 billion

musk just reached 500B - is this list from the 90s?

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It seems to leave out autocratic leaders of countries with equivalent wealth and greater power, such as Prince Bonesaw and Vlad Putler.

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[–] veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world 9 points 22 hours ago

*That we know of

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