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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 day ago

This mindset is aggressively capitalistic...

Basically, the capitalistic mindset is: you need to earn your living and pay for everything that you get.

So when he qualifies it with "able to work but unwilling to work" ... In his mind, that's an egregious fault that puts a person into a place in his mind where they are invalid, and not worthy of anything.

This is how these fucks think. No empathy. No humanity. No "helping" anyone with anything unless they get something in return .

It's about them, and they don't want to "pay for" (via taxes) someone else's healthcare when that person did not earn it for themselves.

They're dicks. Every last fucking one of them.

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

This is red herring. I'm not saying the subject of health care for the unemployed is not important, but framing the question like this distract from the practice of tying health insurance to the employer, which is the real problem.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 348 points 2 days ago (22 children)

Show me all these 28 year olds who refuse to work. Because I see mostly 28 year olds who want to work but can’t find jobs, and a handful who wish they could work but are disabled.

This fucking out of touch hoser needs to spend a day in the real world.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 171 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I think I figured it out. These guys are thinking of themselves when they were younger. They mooched off mommy and daddy's money after college until they were forced to get a job. They assume everyone's life is like that.

[–] forrgott@lemmy.sdf.org 88 points 2 days ago (8 children)

This is also the secret to how guys like Bezos start a company from a garage; they mooched off their parents, so didn't have to worry about how long it took to make any money.

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 61 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Bezos took it a step further than most. Small loans of several hundred thousand dollars from his parents paired with actual fraud perpetrated against the major publishers.

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[–] Wytch@lemmy.zip 94 points 2 days ago

I see way too many 28 year olds who aren't working at one job, they're working two.

And they are still struggling to raise their kids.

This country's rulers have asked its working class to try or accept every solution except the one that those rulers are paid to pretend doesn't work; taxing the shit out of rich people.

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 62 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Don't change the hypothetical.

He asked if a 28 yo who can work but refuses to should receive free health care.

I dunno about you but my answer is yes.

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[–] rhvg@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago

Plus 28yo likely doesn’t cost much on healthcare anyway.

The whole question is a distraction

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[–] boaratio@lemmy.world 149 points 2 days ago (4 children)

It's not free. We all work to lift up the most vulnerable people in our society. I am very thankful to be an able bodied person that pays taxes. I'll never look down upon anyone that needs to use public assistance.

I'm sick and fucking tired of Republicans talking about welfare queens.

[–] Oyml77@lemmy.today 71 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Meanwhile these assholes suck off the public teat and do nothing to give back to anyone except the donor class.

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[–] Wahots@pawb.social 21 points 2 days ago

This. And when we lift people up, it generally helps get people out of poverty and become contributing members of society.

It's not a hand out, it's a hand up. And for those that dgaf about helping their neighbors, it also is generally cheaper to help people once and get them squared away, vs being screwed up for life, committing crimes and using up tax dollars on police/justice/jail/cleanup resources.

In short, literally everyone should be on the same page. It's the moral and economically right thing to do, lol.

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[–] bufalo1973@europe.pub 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And this mindset is, ladies and gentlemen, the one that improved the spreading of deadly diseases.

Free public healthcare is not only about you being healthy. It's also about you not spreading diseases to everyone you cross on the street.

[–] lemmy_get_my_coat@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah but what if they look different to me?

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 day ago

Don't worry. They're all being deported so that won't be a problem if "the plan" succeeds.

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[–] yarr@feddit.nl 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

When I grew up, everyone got cholera and dysentery! If people don't get it now, that's UNFAIR! Getting these diseases builds character.

If we want our kids to be SERIOUS we need to let them get cholera and dysentery. After all, both are totally natural.

[–] InvisibleShoe@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My father got cholera on New Years Eve from oysters here in Aus. Besides a mild fever and 2 days on an IV drip, he was fine. Not a great thing but far more manageable than back in the day.

[–] dickalan@lemmy.world -1 points 16 hours ago

Cool story, bro

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 73 points 2 days ago

Just flip the question around and think about it for a sec. Should people who can work but don't and then get sick just die? Obviously fucking not, that's insane.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 53 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"Do you think that people who are 28-years-old, that can work, & refuse to work, should get free [fill in social service]?"

  • Fire department services
  • Police protection
  • Military protection
  • Public street access
  • Public park access
  • Library access
[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago

Sewage services

Water treatment services

Education

Innumerable benefits of scientific research

Broadcast Television

Radio

Anything available because of publicly-funded agriculture...so basically everything

...

[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 58 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

"who refuse to work" - And how many people is that? Numbers please.

If someone refuses to work, that's the problem you need to address. Not that dumb question.

[–] art@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago (1 children)

who refuse to work

Minimum wage jobs that limit you to 20 hours a week.

[–] Joeffect@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

So they legally dont have to supply you with healthcare, you know that thing you need to keep you from getting sick and help you when your sick that is for some reason tied to you being employed in the first place?

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 73 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

Stop framing it as you might help others that take advantage of the system and frame it as helping yourself and those who might need it legitimately.

There will always be bad eggs in society. Including this representative that punishes the many for the failures of the few. You cannot have civilization without the outliers. But you can help the majority even if there are a few leeches. It says a lot about the right wing when their public face is hypocritical selfishness.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

Stop framing it as you might help others that take advantage of the system and frame it as helping yourself and those who might need it legitimately.

Exactly. You know what I see when I see someone who "just doesn't want to work?" I see someone likely struggling with depression or other mental health issues. And I'm not so prideful that I believe I'm immune to those mental health struggles. I'm certainly not immune from them. None of us are. And if I fall into such a dark place in the future, I don't want to risk dying or bankruptcy just because I'm struggling with my mental health. If someone thinks they can't fall into such a dark place, they're a fool.

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[–] slurpinderpin@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don't stay home during elections! Go and vote out every single Republican. Simple as that. But when you have factions within the left that can't agree with eachother, then we'll just keep losing to the right. Get your shit together people!!!

[–] bufalo1973@europe.pub 1 points 16 hours ago

... If there are elections.

[–] 21Cabbage@lemmynsfw.com 90 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I don't 'refuse' to work. Motherfuckers like him won't even give me an interview.

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[–] Auth@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you dont give them healthcare then congrats you've just lost a 28 year old that could have been a productive member of the workforce. Reps are so short sighted it hurts.

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[–] DigDoug@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

"The threat of actual, literal death is the only way we can coerce people into working."

Certainly the only thing they're willing to offer at this point. Slave or die.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 57 points 2 days ago (8 children)

"Refuse to get a job" lol. Listen, I've dealt with my state's unemployment insurance claim website and it's awful. Anyway they're gonna implement people proving they're "not refusing to get a job" is going to be poorly thought out and half baked which will inevitably lead to people not getting healthcare.

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[–] BigDiction@lemmy.world 36 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Even if you if you agree with the premise, it still always costs us all more in the long run when people don’t get healthcare.

We need to provide healthcare early and often. Turns out there’s a high correlation between well-fed healthy people and people who learn effectively and have the energy and aptitude to be productive later in life!

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[–] arin@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Conservative values is just a wrapper for control & fascism

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[–] omgboom@lemmy.dbzer0.com 60 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I want a healthcare system that works for everyone. I want to not have to worry that I am going to die or go massively in debt because I get sick. I HAVE insurance and these are still the things that I worry about. Unfortunately the people who are in control are bought and paid for by healthcare lobbyists

Edit: check out Rep Mike Flood's top donor industries

https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/mike-flood/summary?cid=N00050145

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I saw that. It was best described as ritual humiliation. Fucking delicious.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

would you trust a guy named after an alien race that conquers world.

Master Chief: Never thought I'd die fighting side by side with a cartoon plumber.

Luigi: What about side-a by side-a with a friend?

He is the embodiment of the conservative hive mind group think. Not much different from the destructiveness of the Flood.

[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'd much rather see some of my hard earned money go towards benefiting my fellow citizens rather than like the pockets of some prick billionaire

[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago

Or a worthless ballroom attached to the Whitehouse. Multiple golf trips around the planet and genocide in the middleeast. America first just turned into filling the swamp with our money.

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 52 points 2 days ago

Guess people start to realise that to deny one person because of reasons, they can deny another person for any other reason. Even a developing country can have free healthcare without discrimination, US have no excuse.

[–] 8bittech@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago

He doesn't work and gets free healthcare.

[–] switcheroo@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Shouldn't matter what you or don't do, we all deserve health care... you fucking creep

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 39 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (9 children)

Preaching to the choir here but my company just changed the insurance service they use for mental health counseling and it really drove home how beholden we are to our employers for healthcare.

Like tomorrow they could decide to switch to United Healthcare and there is literally nothing the thousands of employees can do about it. Healthcare shouldn't be tied to employment.

And while I'm on my soapbox, the system is just bad for small businesses. If you can't afford to provide it, good luck finding people who don't need insurance. And if you can, good luck getting comparable coverage for the price when you've got under 10 employees

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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 22 points 2 days ago (11 children)

I think there are more people than there are meaningful jobs. Like, not everyone needs to be a product person.

Let's do universal basic income, make the essentials free, and let people live life. I have a friend that enjoys being around people, and would work at a coffee shop, but that doesn't pay enough for them to pay for food and housing. I've worked with people who are kind of a net negative at their org, but they're there because they need money to live. It's a bad system.

Maybe it made more sense in like 600CE when your little settlement would collapse if everyone didn't farm all day, but that's not today's world.

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